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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#12926: Mar 24th 2024 at 8:07:21 AM

Cut drakkon and the doctor, suggested film and fanwork splits look good

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#12927: Mar 24th 2024 at 8:22:59 AM

I'll take care of Drakkon with today's swaps; we'll need a new image.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#12928: Mar 24th 2024 at 9:15:11 AM

...another addendum, rewatching the embedded clip from last page, after chucking Frankie's manager through the penthouse windows the Doctor then demands for the police to send him a helicopter and "send the guy who jumped from the 6th floor back to me..." he's referring to Jet Li's character who jumped to escape a grenade explosion.

So with that... the extra implication is that the Doctor probably wants to make Jet Li pay for his brother's death, so that probably solidifies him caring for his brother somewhat

Edited by RobertTYL on Mar 25th 2024 at 1:04:25 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
jlvs200s from The Netherlands (Troper in training) Relationship Status: At the center of everything that happens to me
#12930: Mar 24th 2024 at 9:32:06 AM

[up] Game!Drakkon can stay as the game is a seperate continuity from the comics as that version of Drakkon died before comics!Drakkon did and lacks the comic version's migating qualities.

Also cut the Doctor.

Edited by jlvs200s on Mar 24th 2024 at 5:32:39 PM

"Kenny isn't evil, he just did a little too much trolling. :p" | He/Him
EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#12932: Mar 24th 2024 at 10:52:25 AM

  • Riverdance: The Animated Adventure: The Huntsman is a wicked poacher intent on stealing a spirit deer's magic antlers, uncaring that this would desiccate the rivers of Ireland and endanger all life reliant upon them. To this end, the Huntsman kills Patrick, the leader of the deer Patrick, after holding his next-in-line Benny hostage, and later tries to kill Keegan, whom he earlier tried manipulating through a vision of his dead grandfather, with a knife when the boy goes to stop him from spreading his darkness across the world.
  • Shogun Tokugawa Nariyoshi is a selfish, depraved manchild who loves violence as an art. The Shogun's rule sees a bigoted genocide targeting nomads, with peaceful villages regularly wiped out to the last. Having numerous convicts engage in brutal death matches, the Shogun intends to send them to the mysterious island to hunt for the elixir of immortality despite knowing most will die because the Shogun intentionally sent numerous others to their deaths on "test" voyages first. With an undening appetite for depravity, the Shogun once personally set up the mad Yamada Asaemon Shugen's slaughtering of a crime family and their relatives—including infants—to enjoy the bloody spectacle, and responds to the Iwagakure village chief's treason by wiping out the entire population.
  • Baron Heinrich Zemo is a vile Nazi who designed countless superweapons for their cause, on top of attempting to prematurely start World War II by kidnapping Franklin D. Roosevelt and nearly murdering thousands in a False Flag Operation to secure American support for the Nazi cause. Heinrich has committed several war crimes, such as strangling the Polish hero Citizen V to death and testing a Death Ray on a concentration camp inmate. He also captured and flayed the original Human Torch, recreating his powers to build an army while incinerating one of his own minions just for kicks. When Nick Fury and his Howling Commandos tried to steal his death ray, Heinrich rigged it to explode, destroying a nearby German town. Heinrich was once a loving father and husband, but a fight with Captain America left him disfigured and consumed with hatred, leading him to beat his son and wife. Heinrich has even tried to shoot through his son Helmut to kill Captain America, and was willing to kill his wife when she opposed him. Near the end of the war, Heinrich tried to steal an experimental plane and rigged it to explode, seemingly killing Bucky Barnes and trapping Cap in suspended animation. After the war, Heinrich fled to South America and enslaved a remote South American native tribe. Once, when hundreds from the tribe rebelled, Heinrich violently put down the rebellion. When Captain America returned in modern times, Heinrich enacted several revenge schemes, including creating Wonder Man in order to infiltrate the Avengers and stating that his powers would destroy him if Heinrich didn't give him an injection every week. Heinrich also kidnapped Cap's young friend Rick Jones and stuck him in a trap designed so that Captain America would kill him if he tried to free him.
  • Silverwing: The Graphic Novel: Goth is the prince of the Vampyrum Spectrum—carnivorous giant bats from South America—and a devout worshipper of the dark god Cama Zotz. Captured by humans, brought to North America, and marked with a metal band alongside his servant Throbb, Goth forces Throbb to help him escape and find a way south before winter; their predation on sapient birds and beasts leads to war being declared on the already-persecuted northern bats. Saving Shade Silverwing and Marina Brightwing from an owl, Goth pretends to befriend Shade while scheming to enslave the Silverwing colony as a limitless supply of meat and sacrifices. Exposed through Throbb's incompetence, Goth relentlessly pursues Shade and Marina, slaughtering a cult of human-worshipping bats and claiming their bands as trophies. Deciding to overwinter at the Silverwing hibernaculum while feasting on the sleeping bats, Goth sadistically mocks Shade and Marina's revulsion towards his and Throbb's cannibalism. Struck by lightning while torturing Shade, Goth swears revenge with the intent of committing genocide on the northern bats.
  • Justice League of America: Dr. Wellesley Eno, the diabolical Weather Man, uses technology capable of manipulating the weather to enact various disasters across New Metro City that put countless lives at risk. After failing to convince his empowered employee, Tori "Ice" Olafsdotter, to join him, Eno attempts to trap her and the Justice League and then cook them all alive with a heatwave, before unleashing a tidal wave to flood the city unless he's paid a hefty ransom. When instead confronted by the heroes, Eno destroys his own technology so the tsunami can't be stopped, damning the city with a grin on his face.
  • Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai - Another Road: Future Babidi, just as vile as his present timeline counterpart, invades Earth to revive Majin Buu. When Future Trunks recruits his friends and allies from the present timeline to defend the future, Babidi takes control of Piccolo and Vegeta, forcing them to fight the heroes alongside Babidi's fighting puppets based on Trunks' and Piccolo's memories, using the energy to revive Majin Buu. Realising Buu might kill him, Babidi has Buu and Dabura rampage throughout Earth while he attempts to make a wish on the Namekian Dragon Balls to force Buu to obey him. Frustrated that the Namekians have no evil in their hearts to control, he takes control of Cooler and Broly, having them wreak havoc on the planet's villages in search of the Dragon Balls. When his plan fails, he learns that the Earth Dragon Balls have been revived. He orders Buu, now Super Buu, to continue destroying Earth's cities to keep the heroes distracted while Babidi gathers the Dragon Balls, after which he has Buu kill Broly and Cooler once their use runs out. When Super Buu gets angry at Babidi for trying to kill Mr. Satan after the latter steals his wish and ruins his plans, Babidi callously dismisses humans as less than trash, saying there are millions of humans like Mr. Satan.
  • What If COOLER Was CANON? (link): Cooler, Frieza's older brother, is imagined here as a recurring threat to the Z-Fighters throughout their adventures. When Cooler was passed over by King Cold for Emperor in favor of Frieza, Cooler struck out on his own and created his own empire by enslaving and destroying planets. When he hears of the Dragon Balls on Namek, Cooler invades the planet, murders Frieza, and tries to steal the Dragon Balls; upon learning they are useless, Cooler destroys Namek and its population on a whim. Next targeting Earth, Cooler wipes out cities and enslaves millions of humans to force them to help him search for Earth's Dragon Balls, and he kills Gohan when the boy comes against him. Cooler would return alongside a resurrected Frieza multiple times in the future, when they would destroy multiple planets in sparring matches; try to destroy Earth out of spite; and doom multiple universes to destruction to obtain the Super Dragon Balls for themselves.
  • What if Saruman Took the One Ring? (link): Saruman successfully captures the hobbits and persuades Frodo to give the One Ring to him, becoming the greatest threat to Middle-earth. Saruman grows his power and knowledge, turning some of Sauron's forces to his side and slowly enslaving Sauron himself. When Gandalf faces him and calls the sentient trees of Fangorn Forest for help, Saruman uses his powers to burn Fangorn forest down. He has the Nazgûl capture Gandalf, planning to torture both him and the hobbits until the end of the world. Saruman continues to use Wormtongue to weaken the kingdom of Rohan before his armies destroy it, getting rid of Wormtongue after he outlives his usefulness. Saruman tries to convince Aragorn to ally with him with visions of peace and a renewed Númenor, only to have Aragorn and the Grey Company captured and tortured when this fails. Saruman manipulates the people of Gondor into making weapons for his conquest, then conquers all of Middle-earth, spreading his industry across it and enslaving its inhabitants for centuries while reducing Radagast the Brown, Sauron, and eventually Gandalf to his servants. Ever hungry for more power and knowledge, Saruman is eventually manipulated by Sauron into releasing Melkor, foolishly believing that the first Dark Lord will be willing to ally himself with Saruman against the Valar.
  • What if Sauron Reclaimed the One Ring? (link): Sauron, after the Nazgûl reclaim the One Ring for him, leads his army to slaughter the Free People at the Black Gate. He personally breaks Aragorn's spirit before torturing and killing him, after which he makes his body into a banner for his army, which he leads to destroy Gondor. Setting his sights on Lothlórien, Sauron carves a path of destruction across Middle-earth, conquering lands while enslaving or killing anybody he sees. Knowing that the Elves plan to set sail for Valinor and take their Rings of Power with them, Sauron marches to the Grey Havens to stop them, burning Fangorn Forest when sapient trees inhabiting it try to resist him. [[Evil Overlord Sauron spends years ruling Middle-earth and enslaving all its people, including punishing Saruman for his betrayal, before being defeated by the forces of Valinor.
  • Justice League: The Spider & Web of Cadmus (DC Animated Universe, specifically Justice League, & Ultimate Marvel, specifically Ultimate Spider-Man): Doctor Octopus is a revenge-seeking mass murderer who keeps his canon crimes but none of the redeeming qualities. Having travelled to the DCAU, Doc Ock begins his revenge on the Wall-Crawler. Building a machine called the Triskellon, Doc Ock uses it to find villains from other worlds after killing one of the scientists. To this end, Doc Ock teams up with Lex Luthor and hires a thief to steal one of the parts. Later contacting the Justice Lords, Doc Ock has them destroy the League while he kidnaps Supergirl and brutalizes her. Doc Ock then tosses Supergirl off the Brooklyn Bridge in her weakened state. Returning in the sequel, Doc Ock works for Amanda Waller, creating the clones Kaine and Galatea. Doc Ock manipulates Superboy to force Supergirl to love him before shooting him with a vial to brainwash him. Doc Ock then kills Amanda Waller, hijacking control of the clones with a code phrase only he can access. When Lex Luthor succeeds in becoming president, he and Doc Ock resume their alliance.
  • Chained Heat 2 (1993):
    • Stanley Goff is the secret financier of the brutal Razig Penitentiary, having turned the prison into his own criminal enterprise. Goff has countless women framed and sentenced to his prison, even participating in the trials himself, whereupon the prisoners are forced to partake in drug trafficking and prostitution to line his pockets, while also facing constant physical and sexual abuse from the staff. To get away with his crimes, Goff supplies his judge with plentiful women for him to torture to death.
    • The Judge is an associate in Goff and Warden Kassar's criminal operation. Harboring a fetishistic love of torturing women to death, the Judge promised Goff to keep quiet of his crimes as long as he's allowed to torture his prisoners. Having done this for many years, the Judge slowly kills Tina at a party, and tries to do the same to Carla.
  • Flight of Fury (2007): Colonel Ratcher is John Sands' former protege and a traitorous USAF pilot, under the payroll of Peter Stone and employed by the Black Sunday terrorist organization. Stealing a high-tech stealth jet called the X-77, Ratcher intends to help the Black Sunday cripple Western society by flying the X-77 into European and American airspace and dispensing canisters of highly-contagious, bio-chemical agents which would kill millions, for a fee of 100 million dollars. Reaching a pay dispute, Ratcher instead betrays and kills Stone before trying to hijack the X-77 and its cargo; later, as John Sands attempts to remove the X-77 and its dangerous content elsewhere, Ratcher engages Sands in an aerial dogfight and tries blowing up the X-77, despite knowing the leaked virus would wipe out the population of the Middle East and Europe within 24 hours when breached, simply as an act of spite.
  • No Exit (aka Fatal Combat): Houston Armstrong is the billionaire host of No Exit, an illicit underground fighting tournament where reluctant contestants are kidnapped and forced to fight to their deaths for the entertainment of Armstrong and his paying clients. After John Stoneman becomes a media sensation, Armstrong arranges Stoneman's abduction alongside Stoneman's teen student Jason, forcing Stoneman to fight for his and Jason's freedom, attempting to break Stoneman's will by ordering his henchman Darcona to maim and beat up Jason, gleefully mocking Stoneman by claiming to be "a reasonable man... because Jason is still breathing". Eventually ordering Jason killed in a failed escape—despite promising to spare the boy]]—Armstrong had Stoneman's wife kidnapped as well, making Stoneman partake in a rigged cage fight where he's expected to lose, even forcing Stoneman's wife to watch her husband being subjected to a beating, casually gloating that he sends multiple people to their deaths with each No Exit tournament all the time if it means maintaining his large subscriber base and subsequent income.
  • The Retreat (2021): James is a bigoted sadist who teams up with Gavin and Layna to "cull" the world of the LGBT+ community. A longtime supporter of the duo's live snuff films, James finally joins in on their crimes as he uses an axe to butcher a gay couple while cruelly taunting and filming them. James later kills two bystanders to Leave No Witnesses, and works with Gavin to capture the lesbian couple Renee and Val, so that James can force them to watch as one another are tortured to death.
  • Someone's Watching Me! (1978): Herbert Stiles is a perverted Serial Killer with a taste for psychologically torturing women until they are completely exhausted from the torment. Always making the murders look like suicides to stay off the radar, Stiles claims three victims before setting his eyes on Leigh Daniels, following her to Los Angeles solely to make her life a living hell. Stiles frames another man for stalking Leigh to give her false hope; murders Leigh's best friend and forces her to hear an audio recording of the act; and finally tries to murder Leigh herself after getting bored of toying with her.
  • Cardinal Alba is a seemingly benevolent member of the Vatican and Jack Crow's superior who grew to fear death. Renouncing his faith in God and joining forces with Jan Valek, Alba took to assisting Valek in his plan to acquire the Black Cross and help him gain immunity from sunlight in return for the chance to become a vampire, even allowing Valek to slaughter all in his path to accomplish his plan. Proudly selling out the entire human race for immortality, Alba even attempts to use Jack as the final key to awaken the Black Cross's power.
  • Veronica Guerin: John Gilligan is the most evil of the Irish mobsters that Veronica faces. A temperamental abuser, Gilligan threatens and beats his wife, mistress, and minions alike, threatening them all with death for slight offenses. Gilligan's primary operation is that of peddling hard drugs to teenagers and children, uncaring of the countless lives ruined by heroin and lost by OD-ing so long as Gilligan's pockets are lined. Gilligan carries out the systematic assassinations of one of his henchman Martin Cahill's squad just for convenience, and also tries to initiate a Gang War against his rivals so they will wipe one another out. When Veronica pushes to expose Gilligan to the public, Gilligan beats her bloody, threatens her entire family—promising to personally rape and kill her young son in the process—and finally assassinates Veronica to silence her for good.
  • Anime OVA: Gharnef, the Supreme Priest of Khadein, joined with Medeus, the ruler of Dolhr, to take over the continent of Archanea. Leading a siege upon the kingdom of Altea, resulting in Princess Elice seemingly dying he works with the traitors of Gra to kill off the Altea army and brutally kill King Cornelius after the king refuses to have his people enslaved. Reducing the country of Archanea to rubble in a swift and terrible victory, Gharnef with Medeus causes death to run rampant across half the world.
  • "Shibboleth": Frank McNare is a repulsive Serial Killer with a penchant for targeting young, physically fit women. Choosing his victim, Frank would then strip them to their underwear and tie them up by their neck and ankles, causing the victim to asphyxiate themselves when they got too tired from holding their position. A sadist at heart, Frank would repeatedly taunt the police by sending letters about their failure, and in one instance forced an officer to hear the dying pleas of one of his victims. Despite stopping his killings due to marrying a woman who'd he repeatedly abuse, Frank resumes his homicides when said wife was diagnosed with cancer. Hearing his son, who he had abandoned, was a suspect for his latest murder spree, Frank happily lets him take the fall for his crimes, viewing him as weak and pathetic.
  • The original version of Singed, the Mad Chemist, started off as the deranged Bastard Understudy to Warwick, using innocent people—or himself, whenever he was in short supply of victims—as subjects for his agonizing experiments. After Warwick was transformed into a beast by Soraka, Singed eagerly stepped into his erstwhile master's role as Noxus' chief Mad Scientist. Singed used the invasion of Ionia as the chance to perfect his chemical weapons, which horrifically killed countless people, Ionian and Noxian alike. Among these casualties were Riven's old unit and Master Yi's entire village. After the League forces Runeterra into an uneasy truce, Singed spends his time dabbling in things like "pest control", where his street-melting pesticides invariably prove worse than the initial infestations.
  • Lost Tapes' "Poltergeist": Charles Weatherly, the previous owner of the Golden Family's house in life, brutally murdered his own wife and children before killing himself, later returning to haunt his home. After the Golden Family moved in, Charles began tormenting them—especially their young son, Troy, who they suspected of having telekinetic powers. After he pushed a bookcase onto Troy's older sister—nearly killing her—the family called in paranormal investigators Dr. Jeremy Reinhold, Kristy Johns, and Bill "Shots" Cooper. After they witnessed a sleeping Troy's stuffed panda being turned into a knife, the team moved the family out of the house. Later attempting to exorcise Weatherly, Charles possessed Kristy, making her scream "Leave", before slamming her against a wall, killing her. When Jeremy made it clear they weren't going to leave, Weatherly murdered Bill, propping his body up like a statue. When Jeremy decides to leave, Weatherly stabs him to death with a knife anyway.
  • The Flash: Escape the Midnight Circus: In the twisted alternate universe of the Midnight Circus, Cat Grant goes from a reporter to a cruel villain. Grant is the host of the Midnight Circus, a reality show where President Murmur sends anyone who opposes him to be punished. Grant pits civilians who committed minor crimes or opposed the Murmur regime against dangerous supervillains to be murdered by them. Grant has any contestant who fails in a test of skill competition killed by wild animals or sent to the electric chair. Grant also forces contestants to sleep with the sponsors against their will, to get more money from the latter.
  • My Name Is Cinder: Brigit Stark is Cinder Fall's mother, who married Cinder's rich and depressed father Anthony to take his wealth for herself, withholding therapy from her husband and attempting to get rid of all of their children when each was newborn in the process, all to claim the full inheritance. When a 6-year-old Cinder accidentally learns about Brigit's true colours, Brigit finds and nearly strangles her to death. Growing impatient, Brigit reveals her intentions to her husband, driving him to suicide. Physically and mentally abusing Cinder, trying to tempt her to suicide as well and turning her siblings against her, Brigit eventually fatally poisons Sterling to keep her money. A thoroughly empty, hedonistic, and irredeemable monster beneath the façade of a beautiful and dutiful wife and mother, Brigit left psychological scars in Cinder long after her death, molding her into the monster she'd become.
  • Issue #19's "The Rescue of President Carden": Heinrich Himmler himself makes enemies with the Saint when the latter helps out the Slovenian resistance during World War II. Himmler orders twenty innocent hostages executed for every Nazi killed, resulting in dozens of men, women, and children being killed by Himmler's SS thugs. Himmler vows to break the Slovenian spirit of resistance no matter what it takes, to threatening the life of one of their most famous aviators, to sending the Slovenian President to a concentration camp to suffer torture.
  • Issue #21 story: ''Kapitän'' Gunther is a notorious Nazi U-boat captain first seeing being adulated by Hitler himself for having killed so many women and children. Gunther soon after demonstrates his reputation by sinking an unarmed merchant ship carrying thousands of innocent refugees to Canada, specifically ordering the lifeboats targeted to Leave No Survivors. One of the worst war criminals in Hitler's jackboot army, Gunther plans to assassinate both Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill to deliver a devastating blow to the Allies.
  • Dark City (1998) 1992 script, by Alex Proyas (link): The Mystery Men's leader, "Mr. Black", controls humanity by regularly having them "tuned" to rewrite their personalities and memories according to his wishes. When protagonist John White is awakened during his tuning to be remade into a Serial Killer, Black has the Mystery Men horribly murder White's intended victims—including a baby—to frame him, and drives an investigating inspector insane through sheer agony. Slowly skinning his own reluctant human scientist alive for betraying him, Black revives the corpses of the humans he killed to accuse White of murdering them and when White refuses to break, simply overpowers him in a psychic battle before tuning White with the monstrous personality.
  • What If Pong Krell Survived & Joined Darth Vader (link): Pong Krell survives his canon death and somehow becomes even worse than he already was. Masterminding the Umbaran Clone Trooper massacre, Krell escapes justice by slaughtering his way through their ranks and leaving few survivors. Travelling the galaxy and killing Jedi to increase his knowledge and strength, Krell throws in with the rising Galactic Empire and becomes one of Emperor Palpatine's Co-Dragons alongside Darth Vader. The worse of the two villains, Krell uses his power to enslave and decimate vast portions of the Outer Rim, keeping his mass slavery plots hidden from Vader. When his ambition grows insatiable, Krell convinces Vader to betray and kill the Emperor by destroying Coruscant's capital city with orbital bombardment. Krell then personally leads the annihilation of the Rebel Alliance, gleefully trapping its many members on a planet so they can be hunted down one-by-one and secure Krell's new role as Emperor.
  • What If Vader Froze Luke And Palpatine Took Him (link): Emperor Palpatine, after being brought Luke Skywalker, forces the latter into becoming his new apprentice as he believed Vader no longer had any use to him. Palpatine would have Luke go through absolutely agonizing training, nearly having him killed by Rancor monsters and bounty hunters Palpatine had hired, reducing Luke to an Empty Shell of his former self. When he learns of Luke and Vader's betrayal, Palpatine nearly kills the two of them, revealing that he would have Leia serve as their replacement, and as a final attempt to destroy the Rebel Alliance, prepares the second Death Star to destroy Endor.
  • (Mario) The Music Box: Len Alwena Foska, the Witch of Fate, is a sadistic Mad Scientist responsible for most of the events of the game. Having given the witch-hunting clergyman Marchionne Evangelisti a brooch that would grant him a wish should he be on the brink of death, knowing he will soon face execution, Len in return made Marchionne a test subject in her study of human nature. Responsible for the curse of the Aduraice Estate and Evangeline Town, and thus having a hand in all the deaths that followed, Len took to luring Marchionne's reincarnation, Mario, to the mansion to commence her experiments. Manipulating various timelines so that Mario dies countless times, even owning a pit filled with the plumber's many corpses, Len is even willing to intervene in her own experiments for sadistic glee. Creating a Wonderland dimension against Marchionne's wishes, Len orchestrates a series of tragedies that plague the land, while preventing Mario from breaking the cycle to further indulge in her experiments for as long as she likes.
  • Grimsborough's Case #53 "Burying the Hatchet": Solomon Grimmes is the founder of the Crimson Order and the one that caused centuries of bloodshed in the city. After being saved by the Aloki Tribe, Solomon would attempt to fuel his order by gaining access to the tribe's gold mine. Solomon would marry Inaya, an Aloki woman, and after gaining the trust of the tribe, murders her and later the rest of the tribe before claiming the land with an iron fist. After achieving ultimate power in the colony, Solomon would essentially become the most powerful man in the colony, murdering anyone, including children from his own pilgrimage, all in order to fuel his power and desire for gold as the leader of the Crimson Order.
  • Ghost in the Shell: Zebra 27 is a mercenary who once carved a path of destruction through Africa before being hired to lead the Human Liberation Front. Leading terrorist strikes against New Port City that leave a hundred people dead or wounded, Zebra further sics mecha tanks onto populated civilian centers to distract Section 9 from capturing him. Zebra's ultimate goal is to take a nuclear reactor hostage to extort a fortune from the government, threatening to blow up the reactor and "make Chernobyl look like a picnic" if his demands aren't met.
  • Path of the Midnight Sun: Soraya is the Matriarch of Pylum and the true mastermind behind all the suffering Arvium has gone through. Intending to become a god, Soraya uses her position as the leader of the Church to steal the research of Saito Pascal, intending to use it to absorb massive amounts of power. Soraya later brutally kills Farilde II Hoikade to extract the latter's blood for her plans, driving her lover Elias Lehmann to become the Demon King and as a result causing countless deaths over the course of the next 60 years. Needing someone of Saito's bloodline to use the Manacrest, Soraya creates the Cult of Amaranth in order to find him, resulting in decades of child experimentation. Later tricking the heroes to seal the powers of the Archdemons and the Demon King, Soraya attempts to kill them for catching onto her plans and uses the Manacrest to become Daimon Puro and rule over Arvium.
  • Train to Hell (link): The unnamed terrorist is a Mad Bomber willing to kill hundreds for money. Having placed two bombs on Train 3623, the terrorist disarms the train's brakes so that it speeds out of control and crashes into oncoming traffic. After setting off one bomb, the terrorist demands $85 million from the police or else he'll blow the second bomb and kill over 400 passengers. When his demands aren't met and the police try to apprehend him, he detonates the second bomb, causing a massive derailment that kills hundreds of people on the streets and at a nearby train station. Even after the police catch him, the terrorist reveals he planted another bomb in the city's police station, which explodes and kills all the officers inside.
  • The Last Pine Barrener (link): The stranger—implied to be a humanoid manifestation of The Jersey Devil, if not Satan himself—is a devilish figure who appears to Everett Abernathy and gives him a life of pain and misery for his family as part of their pact. Abducting Everett's girlfriend Abigail when they were teenagers, the devil returns her in exchange for Everett's soul upon his death. Over years, the devil claims all but one of their children, from oldest to youngest, trough horrible deaths. Afterwards, he would have Abigail die of an agonizing blood disease over a decade, and would claim the life of their infant grandchild with that same disease. Everett concludes the devil is adding his family to their deal as "interest" until Everett finally dies; something that doesn't occur until Everett is 126 years old, living a long and miserable life after being abandoned by his family for decades.
  • Escape the Night:
    • Season 1: Arthur the butler is a sociopathic Con Man who had made a deal with the Evil in the house after murdering his wife and kidnapping his brother and keeping him in the mansion. He manipulated unstable people into committing crimes and also managed to trapped souls into the house in a state of imprisonment. Arthur hid in plain sight as he had the YouTubers pick themselves off through various means, such as electrocution and poisoning. In the end, Arthur attempts to murder Joey, Eva, and Oli after being exposed.
    • Season 2: The Gingerbread Woman is a seemingly kind lady before revealing herself to be a depraved cannibal. Having turned children into her famous meat pies for years, the Gingerbread Woman trapped two children into her oven, planning on cooking them alive. Angered over thinking her surrogate son, Sampson, betrayed her, she cuts off his hand and threatens Joey's group, forcing two of them to play a game, with the loser having to become part of her meat pies, or under the threat of both dying anyway.
    • Season 3: The Killer Clown Leader is the demented leader of a posse of serial killing clowns who terrorized the town of Everlock for years. The worst out of the Carnival Master's guardians, the Leader organizes a mass slaughter of many citizens, starting with Mortimer's mother, Mayor Janet, and kidnaps Joey and his group of friends. Showing utter glee in having the Carnival Master burn down the town at sunrise, the Leader attempts to disembowel the entire group to death, and during the first death/elimination challenge, shows complete glee of brutally gutting Jc in her last moments.
    • Season 4: The Collector is the hostess of the Museum of The Dead. Once a human queen, the Collector became mad with power and wished to break the circle of life and rule as a time goddess. Kidnapping dozens of people across time, the Collector places them in display, with several of them slowly losing their minds through their enslavement, and she manages to transform an innocent Society Against Evil member into becoming a Gorgon to transform other people into stone against her will. Trapping all the deceased YouTubers in her exhibit, most of which their souls placed in a jar to which she taunts, the Collector raises the previous enemies of the YouTubers and attempts to kill Joey, Betman, and Colleen in order to condemn them to Hell.
  • "Sex Drive": Otaku is a technician who works for M&G Corporation, and is involved in virtual prostitution. To this end, Otaku abducts prostitutes, experiments on them, and extracts their personalities on behalf of his superiors, leaving the prostitutes catatonic, subsequently reworking their personalities on a disc to make them compliant. Capturing the cyborg prostitute Virus, Otaku extracts her personality and programs her to seduce his superiors at M&G and extract their intelligence so he can overtake them. When Virus returns, Otaku gropes her as he extracts information from her, unaware that police officer turned taxi driver Nisa Lolita is recording the exchange.

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papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#12933: Mar 24th 2024 at 10:58:58 AM

How's this for the Power Rangers page

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/grumm.jpg
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#12935: Mar 24th 2024 at 11:06:48 AM

Pretty nice.

What about screen shots from the video we have of Master Org.

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#12936: Mar 24th 2024 at 11:18:44 AM

That image may work. Just pothole it to Power Rangers S.P.D. and the caption to whatever episode it's from.

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ThereAintNoMountain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12937: Mar 26th 2024 at 5:54:46 PM

Hey so first time really getting involved in this forum, but I don't really agree with the recent CM entry for Choujin X.

  • "War Choujin" Queem Macman was a vile Choujin X who used his powers to launch a military coup and become President of Guelta. Starting the Great Choujin War, Queem personally advanced weaponry, and, hell-bent on conquering the world, forced his Choujin troops to painfully Raise themselves from death unendingly. Using enemy territories to hunt for sport, Queem massacred civilians and conducted religious purges, the horrors of his crimes fracturing human society, which is still healing even 50 years after his death.

My main issue with this entry is that it pretty much ignores how Queem was permanently in his chaos state by the time Zora's flashbacks take place. This wasn't brought up in the proposal thread, but I think it seriously calls into question whether or not Queem even had the moral agency to be considered a CM.

To give a somewhat oversimplified run-down on how the series' power system works (Bear with me I swear this is relevant), a "choujin" is a superhuman who had managed to physically manifest some internal complex that is core to who they are. If a choujin goes into "chaos state," that complex subsumes their sense of self and makes them act entirely on instinct without any sort of self-control. Although most chaos states are temporary, they can and will eat away at your humanity if used excessively. In the case of Queem, he was PERMANENTLY in his chaos state as he had overextended his powers to such an absurd degree during the war. On top of that, the amount of agony Queem went through due to excessive raises forced him into an opium addiction to cope with the pain. Now, because Queem never really shows up outside of descriptions of past events, we were aren't really given any sort of in-depth insight into how Queem was affected by his circumstances. However, we can compare him to Zora, who's pretty much in the exact same situation of being locked in chaos state and being addicted to opium, and she's pretty much decayed into an insane, paranoid, pitiful shell of her former self. Given that Zora herself admitted that she would one day became no different from Queem, it's HEAVILY indicated that Queem experienced a downfall similar to Zora.

We know that Queem was a paranoid, murderous tyrant who would literally murder clergy as a hobby. However, pretty much all the information we find out about him pertains to who he was AFTER years of being in chaos state and drug addiction had taken their toll on him. Whether or not he had any sort of benevolent intentions or redeemable qualities prior to this is completely up in the air.

Just based on the fact that almost everything we know about him comes from after he decayed into a literal mentally ill drug addict, I think it's probably safe to say that he just flat-out didn't have the moral agency to qualify as a CM.

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#12938: Mar 26th 2024 at 6:22:28 PM

Leaning cut on Queem then

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#12939: Mar 26th 2024 at 6:36:20 PM

Naw, it might be an issue later on but that falls into ACI for now. All we know of Queem is he was a power hungry and paranoid tyrant who loved hunting humans for sport. We’re going to need more on him being driven insane by his powers before we just assume a character made out to be super powered Hitler is some poor soul driven mad by Choujin powers. Bill is another Choujin X with no evidence he went mad from his abilities, Zora having done so doesn’t mean Queem is a cut.

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#12942: Mar 26th 2024 at 6:42:16 PM

I’ll also note that he rose up knowing of his powers in a coup and forces his soldiers to keep Raising themselves despite knowing the pain and suffering it puts them through. There’s enough to lean on him knowing what the contract he signed meant and I’m really hard pressed to agree with removing him at the current point in the manga.

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#12943: Mar 26th 2024 at 6:43:36 PM

Keep Queem

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ThereAintNoMountain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12945: Mar 26th 2024 at 7:02:08 PM

I feel like the issue with Queem though is that we straight-up don't know enough about him beyond his actions toward the end of the war.

A pattern with the other two Xs has been that both of them accomplished the exact opposite of what they set out to do. Bill Morth wanted to create an immortal kingdom, but in the end he drove his people to extinction. Zora desperately wanted to stop the dark calamity, but based on the direction of the recent chapters it strongly seems as though she's directly creating the calamity. Though I'll concede that this veers into speculation territory, I definitely get the impression that they're likely going to do something similar with Queem. It may be too early to say, but I think based on the fact that it's ongoing series, it's probably too early to say one way or the other.

The effects of chaos state have been shown at great length, so I feel like as is there's definitely enough reasonable doubt there to give at least some ambiguity to Queem.

PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#12946: Mar 26th 2024 at 7:11:12 PM

I agree completely he’s one to be kept an eye on and I will be doing so as I’ve reserved the manga to discuss for this trope but I maintain that as is, while he’s a mysterious historical character, at present there’s enough to list him for CM as we have with other Small Role, Big Impact villains of the past. We do also get direct quotes from him on his belief of conflict, hatred of religion and the express note he enjoyed hunting humans who were powerless against him.

ThereAintNoMountain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12947: Mar 26th 2024 at 7:13:25 PM

Yeah fair enough I suppose.

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#12949: Mar 26th 2024 at 9:02:42 PM

So, since Volo from Pokémon Legends Arceus was just announced to be coming to Pokémon Masters EX in a couple of days, (both as a playable character and as someone to interact with and befriend in the Trainer Lodge), will that affect his CM status? Especially since this could be a continuation of his story from the former game.

Edited by GamerBoy18 on Mar 27th 2024 at 11:38:10 AM

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#12950: Mar 26th 2024 at 9:20:10 PM

Keep Queem

[up] Maybe? We can't tell if it'll affect his CM status until it actually comes out, so we just wait, and remember we have a 2 week wait period before we bring anything from it up

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