Needs Help: Date Crepe

to merging all three tropes

^^the punny title wouldn't be an issue to me if the double meaning actually described the trope. like if the trope was about (for example) people putting drugs in crepes specifically to enable them to assualt someone. that would make the title both descriptive and the pun actually meaningful to getting across what the trope is about.

as is, it's a semi-descriptive title (crepes that are eaten on dates isn't the entirety of the trope but it's fine) that deliberately invokes sexual assault imagery for......???? like the joke here is just "date rape exists" which to me isn't even worth the pun.

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 2nd 2022 at 2:13:15 PM

You do have a point. It is somewhat shoehorned.

Merge.

As for Spaghetti Kiss, I'd want to see a full check done before we properly include that one into the discussion. Crazy's small one was pretty telling, but I don't want to jump the gun and merge that one if it can be saved some other way (or just needs cleanup).

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 2nd 2022 at 3:16:03 PM

Tru dat. If a fuller check shows definitive redundancy, we can easily just roll it back into the trope made from the merge of Sweetheart Sipping and Date Crêpe. But I think it's a distinct concept, so if a check instead shows a lot of partial context examples that can be beefed up with some googling, then I think it's fine by itself.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 2nd 2022 at 5:37:57 AM

I'd consider merging all three.

Characters eating opposite ends of the same food item in a lead-up to a kiss that may or may not be intentional seems to me like it's pretty distinct from lovers sharing food. So I think Spaghetti Kiss should remain separate. If it helps anything, I rewrote the animated film examples so they have proper context.

I never realized Date Crêpe was supposed to be a pun on that until this thread pointed it out.

A previous thread about it had some people point out that it's accent based. Some people pronounce Crepe as "Crep" and others as "Crape".

Sharing a shake seems specific enough to warrant its own trope. Keep as is. Indirect Kiss seems to be the supertrope here.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel Sweetheart Sipping is distinct? And what would you do about Date Crêpe then?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 2nd 2022 at 9:03:13 AM

- Sipping requires an item that can be eaten by two people at once, and yet can't lead to Accidental Kiss, so only drinks are possible?

Also more literally possibly swapping spit.

Spaghetti Kiss is distinct from the other two, as it's not just sharing food but the comedic/romantic gag of eating bringing the two closer and closer together until they kiss or get embarrassed and break it off. The Pocky Game is another example of this, where two people will nibble at either end of the same stick of Pocky until they meet in the middle.

At the risk of being that troper who always goes "but I've never heard of it, so it isn't valid!", are crepes an actual common date food? I've seen quiche jokes more often.

I'm agreeing with the others that Spaghetti Kiss and Sweetheart Sipping are different enough, but I feel like this could be a supertrope of 'foods signifying romance'.

Edited by FishiousRend on Feb 2nd 2022 at 11:10:29 AM

In Japanese media? Because it's (allegedly) a cultural trope - I've never really seen this either, but OTOH I am an American.

For the record, as someone who's wanted to rename this before (I think there may have been another discussion that never made it into TRS, because I know this came up more recently than 2012), I think the "crape" pronunciation is explicitly incorrect - but given that the intention is clear, I don't think that gives it a pass.

- 18 JPN examples just counted on page.

I wonder how common the "Try another person's flavor" thing mentioned in Railgun entry, is outside of crepes.

Neither Filching Food for Fun nor Romantic Spoonfeeding mentions in description...

Edited by Malady on Feb 3rd 2022 at 4:23:07 AM

EDIT: Nevermind, I think I misinterpreted the above comment. I apologize.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 3rd 2022 at 7:19:40 AM

Sweetheart Sipping and Date Crêpe are just the drink and food specific versions of each other. They're basically "cutesy coupley food things to show that you are romantic with one another and/or getting closer to one another" because the act of sharing a food item with someone is perceived as intimate. Ignoring all of the ZCE on Sweetheart Sipping, that's what the examples are pointing to.

So at the very least those two should definitely be merged.

I've already said my piece on Spaghetti Kiss, but if consensus is to keep it separate, then I really do think it should only focus on actual parodies of the Lady and the Tramp scene and not just "any time a couple shares food" as it currently is defined as and moved into Stock Parodies, otherwise it won't be distinct enough from the other trope.

Yeah that was my opinion as well. Spaghetti Kiss as written may not be about the Lady and the Tramp homage, but it could be reworked into a trope about such homages.

for merging Sweetheart Sipping and Date Crêpe. As for Spaghetti Kiss, maybe we can change the trope to be more broad, like maybe making it Accidental Food Kiss or something along those lines. Either way, I think Spaghetti Kiss should remain separate.

Edited by Yiptap on Feb 3rd 2022 at 9:55:47 AM

Regarding the idea of Sweetheart Sipping being distinct enough, I suppose one option is merging Date Crêpe (and maybe also Spaghetti Kiss) into Indirect Kiss (or Accidental Kiss) and leaving Sweetheart Sipping alone. We'd still be getting rid of the tasteless joke if we did that.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 3rd 2022 at 12:05:22 PM

I'm thinking of doing a wick check on Spaghetti Kiss for the purposes of this thread.

I'll put a link here —> Spaghetti Kiss Wick Check

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 3rd 2022 at 5:22:12 AM

Hm, I'm not really surprised people want to keep Spaghetti Kiss separate due to previous discussion, but the fact that the same is true of Sweetheart Sipping is more surprising.

I guess merging with Indirect Kiss without touching Sweetheart Sipping and Spaghetti Kiss would be easier, since it would just be a matter of merging a trope with a small amount of wicks with its supertrope and moving wicks accordingly, rather than having to have further discussion regarding names and descriptions.

If consensus remains the same, cleanup probably wouldn't take long.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 6th 2022 at 8:22:22 AM

yeah I would've preferred an option like this post that had merge Date Crêpe and Sweetheart Sipping + keep Spaghetti Kiss but narrow it to focus only on explicit parodies of the Lady and the Tramp scene, but alas, wasn't included

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 6th 2022 at 9:59:13 AM

It usually makes more sense to merge with a supertrope than a sister trope, so it'd make more sense to merge with IK than SS.