Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
- Knull shouldn't be on the page since he's not a symbiote himself
- Eddie, Finnegan, Wilde, Tyro, Meridius, and the Eventuality should be relocated to Eddie Brock's page, should they not?
Edited by Arawn999 on Apr 25th 2024 at 6:42:16 AM
Me Listening to You RN
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Seems alright to me.
The Formatter
I'd say that Knull deserves to be there, at least as a redirect. He did create them all, and is kind of made up of symbiote matter, unless I’m misremembering. But I say yes to the Eddie Brock moves, as they are all the same person.
Knull himself isn't made up of symbiote matter, just his armour and sword are... though he can use his blood to create unique symbiotes.
Edited by Arawn999 on Apr 25th 2024 at 8:22:55 AM
x9 Sure, that's alright.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
I found Character.Bot Types (a subpage of Characters.Botworld Adventure) which I am currently requesting a pagemove Do the bot types all need their own subpage?
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Edited by JHD0919 on Apr 26th 2024 at 6:47:11 AM
This is Idol Tap. (My Troper Wall)
Goku Black
Move to venom rogue gallery than?
Animu
That Character.Bot Types subpage is very short, with the wrong namespace to boot. Let's merge it to Characters.Botworld Adventure.
Edited by animuacid on Apr 26th 2024 at 12:37:21 PM
Animu
If it doesn't give the too long suggestion, it's ok
He's already there. The folder on the Symbiotes page is just a redirect.
Goku Black
Oh okay than I think a redirect is okay. Since he is the creator of the symbiotes even if he's not one himself.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
OK... and what should be done with the Brock variant and In General folders? Delete them? Redirect them?
Edited by Arawn999 on Apr 26th 2024 at 10:51:04 AM
The Ultimate Lifeform
I'd like to protest this. First, I was previously given approval to unmark Amity's spoilers and only didn't do so cause I don't know how to do it all at once (when Loek himself said previously that he wouldn't try merging the Collector back due to them being too spoiler heavy), and second merging her back puts the Hexsquad's page right up against the limit. As far as I can tell there was no reason to merge her back.
Addendum: I just looked at her trimmings and a vast majority of them remove almost all relevant context for her entries, and would need greater explanation to show why they fit her, so I definitely object to her "trimming" justifying a merge.
Edited by ForgoLight on Apr 26th 2024 at 12:33:43 PM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Very Spooky
I say keep her separate. 223k bytes is still very large, and while the show’s over (meaning that there likely won’t be any significant growth), I think it’s close enough to the limit to warrant keeping the CSP.
back lol
So what should be done? Should the trimming be reverted to restore context to the entries?
The Ultimate Lifeform
Honestly? Yeah. At least a good portion of it. Some of it was more justified such as the Wall of Text she was perpetually stuck with under Foil, but the rest should at least be expanded, if not reverted outright. I swear I am not trying to be argumentative, it's just a substantial portion of her entries have genuinely been robbed of all their context.
Mweheheh
I don’t remember this coming up when we tackled Persona 5, but Maruki has a folder on Confidants for non-spoiler tropes & a full page for spoiler tropes. Should we combine them like with Akechi’s page?
Peace is the only battle worth waging.
The Ultimate Lifeform
So do I have approval to A) rewrite/restore Amity's entries to better forms, and B) restore her character page as a whole? How do I restore it exactly?
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Try here, copy and paste.
The Ultimate Lifeform
Just readded her to her own page, currently working on fixing the examples that were robbed of context!
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
What should be done with Finnegan, Tyro, Wilde, and the Eventuality's folders? Should they be made into redirects or just deleted—and what about the In General folder?
Hi! :3
Any comments about my Borderlands suggestion ?
So, did we ever decide what to do with Scream: Ghostface? By generations or Masterminds/Accomplishes?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread