YMMV Home Page and Audience Reaction Policy Thread

I'm pretty sure the popular YMMV items don't get misused particularly more than equally popular Main items. Big Bad gets misused a lot for pretty much any villain, for example. It stands out more due to the opinion angle, not due to quantity of misuse. Unless you have proof otherwise?

That same index had to be retooled and locked due to complaining, so it's not like it's flawless either. Plus there's been a lot of debate that some tropes listed there, like the Aesop tropes, should be YMMV. And it is helpful (and fun!) to analyze items like Draco in Leather Pants to see why fandoms behave in a certain way. And yes, that can be done without being a total dick about fandom.

You can have fun without being snarky. It may feel like that's something a lot of us forget sometimes, but it is possible.

Yes, that's my point. I doubt there will be a net gain because the complaining isn't gonna go away if we remove YMMV, and it'll just make people angry.

Some of the "opinions" you cited aren't even really that opinionated. "Critically acclaimed" is not the same as audience opinion, and as I know the Total Drama context, I can attest that Courtney is depicted as physically abusive (albeit Played for Laughs) and Duncan is given some sympathy in the narrative in TDWT. If there are bashy comments on the main page (and some of them look crufty too), then remove them.

You know not all YMMV is negative, right? What about shipping tropes? What about Pop Culture Holiday? These are simple acknowledgments of fandom and I'd even argue some of them are better-known concepts to the general fandom public than the whiny YMMV items.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 18th 2021 at 10:09:24 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Or Rainbow Lens, Trans Audience Interpretation, Realism-Induced Horror, Delusion Conclusion, Adorkable (post TRS), Demographically Inappropriate Humor, most of the Shipping tropes, all of the moments tropes, The Woobie, Unpopular Popular Character, Values Resonance, etc; all positive or neutral reactions that don't seem to be suffering serious misuse.

Meanwhile, I can list off many, many extremely misused main/ tropes too, besides the aforementioned Big Bad: Five-Man Band, Killed Off for Real, most appearance tropes, Getting Crap Past the Radar, Shout-Out, Deadpan Snarker, Up To Eleven, Expy, Not So Different (which just got renamed as a result), Hilarity Ensues, Hypocrite, Foil... with most of the ones I named being high up on Overdosed Tropes.

Like I said, there's some serious negativity bias at play here.

And yeah, I'd like some evidence that a higher percentage of YMMV tropes are misused than of Main/ tropes, relative to the number of tropes in each category.

Also, I pointed out the "will move to Main/" issue specifically after pointing out that people already do this, which you yourself pointed out as if it's refuting me (despite that I literally said it happens in my own argument). See, it's because this is already a common issue that I'm concerned about what'd happen if YMMV went away. I wouldn't be worried if it wasn't a thing that already happens.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 18th 2021 at 10:23:10 AM

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Wait, who's talking about removing YMMV? That's not happening.

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Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 18th 2021 at 11:44:01 AM

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Well, the answer is "No". Moving on...

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The distinction is Professional vs Amateur; the wiki policy is still that it doesn't belong. Things not to include: value judgments (don't say how much they sucked/how awesome it was), critical reception (that's just a specific variant of value judgments), recommendations (don't tell us whether or not we should check it out),

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I know, but in this context, most of the issue was with people shoehorning their personal takes onto the main pages, as they often do with YMMV. Critical reception shouldn't be shoehorned when inaccurate either but it's less glaring, at least.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Right, when I mentioned it in my own post I was referring to people using objective tropes as subjectives, such as what was going on with Adorkable pre TRS.

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No, accuracy is not the problem. All value judgements are forbidden from the main work page by policy, and that includes professional reviews and box office numbers.

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Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I think I meant "inappropriate," not "inaccurate."

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Hey I noticed Genre Turning Point is YMMV even though it isn't listed on the main YMMV page. Should it be added to the main YMMV page?

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No, why? Audience Reactions and YMMV.Home Page are not meant to duplicate each other.

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Oh whoops, forgot about the former.

Wouldn't the "Killer" tropes then be Audience Reactions though?

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