How bad is the bashing on these pages? In particular, the episodes the fandom hates?
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Here are some potentially complainy bits from the most infamous episode, "No Such Luck." I haven't seen the episode in a while, but while I remember it being a pretty cruel episode, I think a lot of these moments were played for laughs. Hell, the Break the Cutie entry pretty much says Lincoln has no signs of being "broken."
- Abusive Parents: Mr. and Mrs. Loud this time, ala Timmy Turner’s Parents, who even make Lincoln live outside due to his "bad luck". They also sold all of his furniture.
- Broken Aesop: Lying will makes things worse for you. In an episode where all the Louds lose enough IQ points and sense of following the law by locking Lincoln outside and not learning heck when Lincoln uses the mascot suit to prove them wrong.
- Break the Cutie: Poor Lincoln. Though he acts surprisingly tough for someone, “broken”. He doesn’t even cry, or act like a kid who’s life is over.
- Downer Ending: Lincoln is let back into the family and his parents and sisters no longer believe him to be bad luck and he’s allowed to come to the beach after all, but they sold all his furniture and now want him to wear a mascot costume all the time for good luck, proving they learned nothing from the ordeal and are still superstitious. Could also count as an Esoteric Happy Ending.
- Idiot Ball: It's remarkable how easily and quickly Lisa becomes convinced that Lincoln really is bad luck (via him not so subtly tripping and breaking one of Lori's golf clubs). Especially considering not only how skeptical she was to begin with, but how skeptical she's been to anything supernatural in the past.
- Along with the entire family. All it takes is some not-so-convincing lies and a clear act of deliberate clumsiness from Lincoln to make everyone else think he’s bad luck. Plus none of the family even realize they’re breaking the law or pushing away one of their own when they lock Lincoln out. And at the end, once Lincoln, disguised as the mascot, shows there is no bad luck, what do the family do? Assume the suit is good luck and make Lincoln wear it to the beach, somehow forgetting that he could very easily swelter and pass out in such enclosed heat. It never occurs to them that Lincoln’s life would easily be put in danger. To add insult to injury, it never crosses their minds over how any of their relatives or friends would sit well with Lincoln’s ordeal, especially Clyde, Bobby, or Ronnie Anne.
- Heck, even Lincoln himself could qualify, as he decides to use Lynn’s outrageous accusation to trick everyone, rather than simply just ask for free time and when even his parents buy into it, he refuses to own up, despite knowing how crazy his family can be. And when his family don’t listen to his confession, does he go to any of his friends’ houses, does he call for help, does he go to see his Pop-Pop, does he cry over the thought of his family never being around him again, does he go to anyone who personally knows his sisters, does he run off to the police station and sort his family out? Heck, no! He just considers using the squirrel mascot suit as a disguise to prove himself and while this does work, it doesn’t make things any easier for him because now he’s stuck wearing it for good luck and even than he still doesn’t run off to anyone else for help, or even just put his foot down and chew his family out for their childishness and completely moronic actions.
- Jerkass Ball: The whole family holds it really, but especially Mr and Mrs. Loud (or even Lynn), who should know better than letting silly superstitions drive them to disregard and mistreat one of their own children.
- Karma Houdini: The Louds face no consequences whatsoever for kicking Lincoln out of the house and selling his furniture. The closest Lynn gets to any punishment for her unfairness is the Peanuts reference mentioned below.
- Parental Neglect: The Loud parents along with the rest of the family neglect Lincoln to take him to the movies or go to the beach, as a result to his bad luck. Granted, it’s implied they don’t want to, but they make no effort to figure something out.
- Skewed Priorities: Throughout the episode, the family, after buying into the rumour, start valuing their own luck and safety more than they do Lincoln. They keep him outside and distant, not out of malice, but rather just because they fear any bad luck befalling them, not realising that Lincoln could get injured or abducted while outside. In the end, they believe Linc isn’t bad luck and are happy to have him back, but seem to value having good luck more than Lincoln’s health. They make him wear the suit to the beach for said good luck without considering that their own brother/son may get sick from overheating.
- Took a Level in Jerkass: Lincoln’s entire family, primarily because of their contemptibly stupid behavior and lack of consideration for Lincoln. Lynn especially, since she starts the whole mess. The only member who isn't unlikable is Lily, on the grounds that she's only a baby.
- Yank the Dog's Chain: The ending could very easily be considered this for Lincoln.
The entire YMMV page talks about the negative reception too, but I don't think it's particularly bashy, more just acknowledging the backlash and the Fridge Horror.
Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 23rd 2020 at 5:07:04 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Should probably remove examples played for laughs.
Any more consensus needed?
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Don't think so.
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Removed the questionable nightmare fuel examples, citing this thread.
Some tropers are edit warring on Recap.The Loud House S 2 E 8 No Such Luck Frog Wild over the Hate Sink entry, which first Boomerang 123 and now Mega Beaks 60 have kept adding on to the page. I've PM'd them both to come here and see if I can get a justification as to why they keep adding it to the page despite not fitting Lincoln's family at all.
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Tell them to keep the Hate Sink example off the page. It's a ZCE.
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Should the complaining entries mentioned several posts above be removed?
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Yes. It's long past the three day mark. I think we're safe to go ahead.
IS deleting all of the tropes really necessary? If the deleted tropes are reworded them to a more neutral view point, would that been acceptable?
They can be re added if the complaints are removed.
I noticed the Take That! video example is no longer listed. Did someone take care of that?
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Guess so.
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While looking at pages in the Timeline namespace, I found Timeline.The Loud House. Is this a valid use, since it doesn’t have any dates?
Note, it doesn't describe any episodes in order.
That page has been cut.
There has been some recent misuse of Hate Sink and The Scrappy on YMMV.The Loud House S 2 E 8 No Such Luck Frog Wild and YMMV.The Loud House S 2 E 3 Baby Steps Brawl In The Family.
Edited by costanton11 on Sep 18th 2020 at 10:15:44 AM
Those entire pages need to be scrubbed.
If anything, the sisters fall under Unintentionally Unsympathetic.
This ATT thread
might be of relevance.
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On BrokenBase.The Loud House, "No Laughing Matter" says, ".... Luan's insecurities and depression". Is it OK if I cut off "and depression"? Because Luan cheered up after a few days, and for a condition to be clinical depression, it needs to last two weeks at the minimum.
For every low there is a high.
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Yeah, should be fine.
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Right; the context of the example was what kept me from pointing that out myself.
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 24th 2020 at 1:50:46 PM
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For the record, "depression" as a word doesn't have to be clinical, same with "anxiety." It can just refer to a current temporary state of mind in certain contexts. But the context suggests it is an ongoing thing and "insecurities" alone gets the point across.
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If there's enough agreement, yes.
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