Yeah, I'm confused. "Some people think it's bad, other people think it's good" is a sentence that could describe literally every creative work in history. What's the controversy that is supposedly overshadowing this one?
If anything, I'd think having written a terrible comic that you now consider an Old Shame is a good foundation for becoming a comics critic - learning from one's mistakes and all that.
That said I'm inclined to think this is too obscure to be overshadowing anything.
Like I said, axe if you want; I do not feel strongly either way, was just reporting what I've seen.
In OvershadowedByControversy.Video Games
- Anthem received numerous complaints of causing PlayStation 4s to shut down in a manner that makes the system think it was unplugged, making it tricky to turn back on, and in a few cases even bricking the system completely. That the game even has the capability to do this is extremely worrying even beyond typical launch bugs, and BioWare didn't help at all with their slowness to respond to the issue.
The game came out two weeks ago.
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Not OBC. Cut.
Could we re add the example in Empire now that Smollett has been convicted.
No, he's only been indicted. Still too early to call.
It's not a matter of whether the charges stick. It's a matter of whether the controversy actually overshadows the work in a lasting way. That takes time to judge.
Apologies for jumping the gun.
I've started a thread
to deal with tropes / Audience Reactions / whatever that either have mandatory waiting periods associated with them, or have been suggested to have mandatory waiting periods added. This is one of the tropes under discussion.
- Mention Varsity Blues and it's a tossup whether people will think of the movie or the massive college admittance scam uncovered 20 years later that used its name. James Van Der Beek himself took notice, joking that the kids pushed into the colleges should have used the film's memetic line "I don't want your life."
That one is silly. A) It's an extremely recent scandal B) The film has literally nothing to do with it other that sharing a name.
That example should be cut for the reasons you brought up.
Found this on Prelude to Axanar:
- Overshadowed by Controversy: Both the original fan film and its sequel are infamous thanks to the actions of Alec Peters, which included stealing from donor money, using the name and image of actor Tony Todd to promote the film months after the actor had officially quit the project, and essentially using the Star Trek brand name to buy his way into being legitimate. The resulting lawsuit from CBS/Paramount and their subsequent restrictions on future fan productions further tarnished his reputation.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
Y'know, it'd really help if you gave some context here. Dumping the entry without explaining why you think it's problem isn't going to be useful for those who don't know about the work. For what it's worth, I'm not a trekkie, but I've heard more about the Paramount lawsuit than Alec Peters' BTS antics. Is that the problem you have? I wouldn't know just by reading the entry.
Anyways, here's a few entries I found regarding a controversy that seemed to resolve itself. A few months ago, James Gunn was fired from directing the third Guardians of the Galaxy film because of some unfortunate tweets he made years ago. Now, that was a big upset at the time, but recently Disney made amends and rehired Gunn back to the project. So, this whole debacle resolved itself in the best possible way, and since the film is set to be released around 2022, that's a long time for that controversy to fade away. These entries can probably be cut just for being about an unreleased work, and the fact it's no longer an issue is a good reason for having a waiting period.
- Overshadowed by Controversy: The debacle over firing James Gunn upset and divided the MCU fandom and especially the crew of Guardians of the Galaxy, which is one of the most beloved and respected sub-franchises. Actor Dave Bautista has openly criticized Disney and the debate about the firing has dampened much of the excitement and buildup for Avengers 4 and the later films.
- Regardless of all else, the Guardians of the Galaxy film franchise will most likely be remembered for its third film possibly being killed over a crude joke, or more specifically, the response to said joke. In July 2018, alt-right activist and conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich publicized several tweets in which director James Gunn, who had been set to direct the third film, joked about rape and pedophilia while working at Troma a decade before. Although Gunn has since apologized, Disney, the parent company of Marvel Studios, suspended Gunn immediately. Some, including Thanos creator Jim Starlin and cast member Dave Bautista, claimed that Gunn's suspension constituted a successful politically-motivated revenge career-killing (due to some political views expressed by Gunn, which do not need to be elaborated upon here). On top of that, Cernovich also tweeted rape jokes on Twitter in the past and was actually charged with rape in 2003. Although support for Gunn from both the fans and the cast skyrocketed following the incident, Disney made it clear at the time that they had no intention to rehire him, and on August 24, it was announced that the film was put on hold as a consequence of Gunn's suspension. Bautista himself refused to shut up about it until Gunn was reinstated the following March. For what it's worth, every movie studio has since extended Gunn lucrative offers while he was under suspension, and he opted to go with the franchise's arch rival, the DC Extended Universe by writing a sequel to Suicide Squad. And, of course, Bautista didn't waste any time asking to go with him.
Permission to remove?
Cut, but it was 9 months until resolution instead of the 6 months we currently have as a buffer.
Cut the examples pertaining to Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 and the firing and rehiring of James Gunn since the No Recent Examples Please thread decided that Overshadowed by Controversy has a six month waiting period after the work is released. Plus James Gunn's rehiring has killed down the controversy a bit. Speaking of Guardians of the Galaxy, a questionable example regarding the second movie has just been added to the live-action films subpage:
- Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 in particular has a hard time being brought up without the topic of Peter's reconciliation with Yondu coming up. Specifically, the question of whether or not the reconciliation whitewashes/downplays parental abuse.
This is the first time I ever heard of this controversy, and while this may be a Broken Base issue, this isn't something that's overshadowing the entire movie. I also feel this may be an attempt to add Unfortunate Implications without citations.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
I removed that along with the GOTG3 example. I've seen a couple of people discuss that issue of the film, but it definitely hasn't eclipsed the discussion around the film in the way the trope requires. I've left a link to the thread in my edit reason in case anyone wanted to add it back, so we'll see how that goes.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 17th 2019 at 10:08:22 AM
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Is this an example? From YMMV.The Corrs:
- Overshadowed by Controversy: Jim Corr has become better known nowadays for his Cloudcuckoolander conspiracy theories about 9/11, the War On Terror, and the New World Order than for his contributions to the band. That's all we'll say about that.
Note that I had moved it from an example of Cloudcuckoolander on the main page, as it was troping real-life people.
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...should Barbra Streisand be added, or is it still too early? Just learned today she's being skewered for defending Michael Jackson from the new accusations against him.
Much too early IMO. It's been only a few days max.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
- Overshadowed by Controversy:
- Gracefully averted thanks to Ed Skrein, whose casting as the Asian Bed Daimio was hit with an uproar over the perceived whitewashing. Skrein, who was unfamiliar with the character and didn't realize he was intended to be Asian, immediately bowed out of the role, allowing Daniel Dae Kim to be cast.
- Later, comic fans who were hesitant about the film became outright outraged when it was discovered that Ben Daimio's creators and the Real Daddies of the BPRD side of the Hellboy universe, John Arcudi and Guy Davis, would not receive royalties from this film using their ideas.
The first one is an aversion and the second one is possibly too early.
Seconded on both counts. Aversions aren't notable, and we're using a six-month rule of thumb on recent examples.
(That's six months after release, for the record, not before.)
Is this an example? From YMMV.The Jim Jefferies Show:
- Overshadowed by Controversy: Jim is accused of manipulating his interview that Avi Yemini accused him of manipulating the interview and editing it to make him look like an anti-Muslim activist. Jim nor Comedy Central has said anything yet despite the massive tweets and news coverages made in Australia and abroad.
A search about this mostly brings results from this "Bounding Into Comics" website (which seems... questionable as a reliable source), plus the incident in question seems to have only happened only one or two weeks ago. Personally I think that at best it should go into something like Internet Backdraft or Manipulative Editing, but I want to ask for some imput.
Anthem (2019), again...
- Overshadowed by Controversy: It seems that the game's disastrous launch between its bugs and frustrating loot system will have be more remembered for that than anything else. And then adding fuel to the fire, the Kotaku article on game's Troubled Production isn't helping matters either.
Should we just make the trope have a mandatory time delay of several months before one can apply it to the YMMV page?
Edited by AnoBakaDesu on Apr 6th 2019 at 4:08:31 AM
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Well, Lightbringer is currently listed on the So Bad, It's Horrible page, so it's considered pretty bad. I do think if it wasn't for being an early work of a future comic critic, it wouldn't have been as widely mocked.
Then again, I'm not really sure if that counts as a controversy. It's just an Old Shame of Lewis's. It's like saying Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is controversial because it was written by Roger Ebert. That film's not considered very good either, but it's hardly controversial.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 7th 2019 at 4:56:13 AM