The Broken Base cleanup thread discusses about examples in Broken Base, but this talks about examples in YMMV pages of works containing Base-Breaking Character, (despite being an Example Sectionectomy, this can still be seen in the YMMV pages of works) where the details on what is suitable is also vague.
Here is the criteria for Base-Breaking Character:
- A long-term, sustained conflict: Characters that were simply hated and loved, then had their interest evaporated away (both positive and negative) after a few months doesn't count. Characters in upcoming works also don't count.
- A vicious conflict: Factions that have little problem co-existing and doesn't mind about what the other faction likes or dislikes about the character doesn't count. If it's not particularly vicious and heated, then it would be cut or be listed as a Downplayed Trope.
- Two (or more) vocal, almost equally sized factions: A tiny Vocal Minority that doesn't shut up their pet peeve, whilst being outnumbered by more reasonable fans don't count. Nor does a Silent Majority who doesn't make a big deal with the other side count. If one of the hating factions is significantly bigger than the other, it would be classified as The Scrappy or an Ensemble Dark Horse.
- Little to no Middle ground: Scenarios where most of the fandom doesn't care about the character, don't count.
Base-Breaking Character is when half of the fandom likes a character, yet another equally sized half dislikes it. Now that happens, but the problem is, some entries aren't really contentious (thus not resulting in flame wars when someone says they "liked that character"). Also, several entries are one-sided towards the negative or the positive side describing that only side in detail, but then wrapping up with a single line saying "But the other half likes that character". A correct way would be describing it like "a split in the Fandom on who likes it or not", with details on both sides why they're liked and disliked.
Here's an example from YMMV.Undertale:
- Alphys. A lot of players find her character gimmick of constant messages and attempts to help more annoying than funny, especially on repeat playthroughs. And even though she has sympathetic reasons, the reveal that she's been experimenting on sick monsters to create the Amalgamates and manipulating the player to feel better about herself doesn't help, especially since she never directly apologizes for the latter.
While it may have annoyed players due to these reasons above, there has been a considerable amount of fanarts and comics or her, and not only that, the like-dislike situation hasn't been so contentious (compared to Sans, whom he's popular, now he sucks.)
edited 21st Feb '18 1:46:31 PM by AppleGates
The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they)
Any comment on Himiko Yumeno
as well?
Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Jan 18th 2024 at 7:34:20 AM
Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice. (also i'm fluid now)
Honestly, that entry feels more like a Character Perception Evolution entry than a Base-Breaking Character entry, since it mostly spends time talking about why she's disliked more now and doesn't bring up both sides evenly or as arguing. I'd have to ask if this isn't just a Vocal Minority or if the two sides even argue.
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they)
I'm gona cut it.
Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice. (also i'm fluid now)
None of you answered on my post. I have researched the sites and find proof to character’s divisiveness
Edited by NicMasterTrope on Jan 24th 2024 at 7:41:48 PM
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Do people frequently fight over this character? Is there no middle ground? If all the character meets all the criteria, then I suppose yes. Tbf, I’m not entirely familiar with the character Ochaco Uraraka nor am I active in the MHA fandom.
Edited by Superdude96 on Jan 24th 2024 at 8:55:15 AM
I’ve seen people argue on wether or her crush on Deku takes up too much of her character but I don’t know if that’s enough for BBC
Also I forgot to ask one more thing:
What does the Japanese fanbase think of this character? Do they fight over said character?
x4
From what I can tell, people are mainly annoyed with her being Out of Focus for most of the story despite being the main heroine. Which to me means that they like her character since they want to see more of her, which means she's not a base-breaking character.
Now that makes sense why she got removed
This entry was just added to Shadow the Hedgehog with Black Doom's previous designation as The Scrappy getting removed
- Over time but to a lesser extent, Black Doom has become one as well. Many fans of the franchise don't think too highly of him, as they see him as a bland villain with a generic name and motives, with him being shoved into Shadow's creation being especially controversial. That being said, he does have his fans, enjoying his characterization, motives and designnote , and they don't mind how he was suddenly added to Shadow's origin, and thus, it is not uncommon to see him included in fanworks.
I have distanced myself from the wider Sonic fandom in recent years for a variety of reasons, so can anybody verify the truth of this claim? The fact they say "to a less extent [compared to Shadow'', has me unsure, given I'm pretty sure YMMV can't be downplayed
Kirby is shaped like a friend
The only positive stuff related to Black Doom I've seen is meme-related thanks to Real-Time Fandub. I barely see anyone like Black Doom for what he actually is.
so I should remove the entry? And if so do I add back the scrappy entry?
Kirby is shaped like a friend
We should get a second opinion first, but that's where my vote goes.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
Hitoshi Shinso was just added to BaseBreakingCharacter.My Hero Academia:
- Hitoshi Shinso. To his fans, he's an unfairly discriminated kid stymied by a society that sees him as destined to become a villain solely because of his Quirk, while also having been unable to make it into the UA hero course due to the entrance exam's focus on physicality and combat, with many hoping he would replace Mineta as a member of class 1-A. To his detractors, he's a whiny Jerkass who doesn't bother putting in any work to better himself, with points being made that Hagakure and Koda have Quirks just as ill suited to combat yet they still managed to make the cut, with Shinso seemingly coasting through the Sports Festival on his ability to Mind Control the other contestants and having done nothing to otherwise train himself or prepare. There's also the fact that the sole example we have of his supposed "bullying" could easily have been light-hearted teasing that he took entirely the wrong way. There's also a subset that despise fanfic's tendency to up the amount of abuse he's suffered to unrealistic levels, up to and including being muzzled by his parents, something that would leave obvious marks.
I was under the impression that Shinso is one of the biggest Ensemble Darkhorses in the entire series (and he's already listed on that page). This example seems to be exaggerating minor problems some people might have with the character for the sake of making him look more hated than he is.
Edited by Zuxtron on Jan 29th 2024 at 7:55:58 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yeah, as far as I'm aware Shinso is really popular. He's even put into Class 1-A in some fics (often replacing Mineta).
Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 29th 2024 at 8:15:41 AM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
I pulled the example for now since he's already listed as an Ensemble Dark Horse which is mutually exclusive with Base-Breaking Character, so he can't be added to that until the other example is cut.
Bumping this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15191965060A89849000&page=56#comment-1388
Also if we remove the entry should I re-add The Scrappy entry or make a Character Perception Evolution entry
I have question about this entry from Justice League:
Base-Breaking Character: Some fans love Wonder Woman's depiction as a confident, fierce warrior whose abilities are almost on par with Superman, while others feel her aggressive attitude made her an unlikable Adaptational Jerkass, given that her Friend to All Living Things traits from the comics are heavily downplayed on the show. There's also the question of whether or not the heavy Ship Tease between her and Batman works or not, with some finding it a Fan-Preferred Couple that should have moved to Official Couple status (if not outright been moved to the comics as well), and others finding it a forced pairing that comes off as the writers using Batman as an author-insert (not helped by the fact that it is far from his only DCAU pairing, bringing Ship-to-Ship Combat into it as well). For the most part, where you sit on that issue tends to depend on whether you view the show's treatment on it as "they're equal partners" or "Wonder Woman is Batman's love interest."
Is Wonder Woman this divisive? I mean, I’ve seen very few people express their dislike for the character but I’ve never seen anyone got into heated arguments over Diana.
Edited by Superdude96 on Feb 18th 2024 at 1:57:17 AM
On JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood YMMV it is stated that Jonathan Joestar is a Base-Breaking Character when he's compared to other Jo Jo "while he's otherwise a good character". If the character is well-liked and not truly poorly-written (like George Joestar), then he needs to be removed, am I right?
Edited by NicMasterTrope on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:31:39 PM
the Retromancer
That's not what the example says.
- Base-Breaking Character: Jonathan Joestar is definitely this amongst the fanbase when it comes to ranking him amongst the other Jojos. Some fans admire him for being an All-Loving Hero with a heart of gold whose death is absolutely heartbreaking, while his detractors see him as a generic good guy whose descendants are much more entertaining to watch due to being the exact opposite of him. That being said, nobody really dislikes Jonathan in the traditional sense of Base-Breaking Character (he's fairly well-liked), it's more an argument of how he stacks up against the other Jojos.
If "nobody really dislikes Jonathan in the traditional sense of Base-Breaking Character" then he is simply not a Base-Breaking Character.
Edited by Amonimus on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:37:22 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
It is stated as you mentioned, so that means the trope needs to be removed, am I right?
Edited by NicMasterTrope on Feb 21st 2024 at 4:41:25 PM
the Retromancer
Also, can I ask you a question: if character's hatedom is based around Never Live It Down and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character does that mean the character is Base-Breaking Character or an ordinary character? The character is certainly not The Scrappy. right?
You see, it's been almost two months since Hilda's last season premiered I want to know if Hilda's father is Base-Breaking Character, because while some of the fans dislike him, they are fan that enjoyed his character. A third, biggest party of fans doesn't like or hate him and are more pissed about his character being unexplored enough, which is caused by Season 3 being cut short.
Edited by NicMasterTrope on Feb 21st 2024 at 6:33:36 PM
And yeah, I honestly feel like Kokichi still counts. I'm not super active in the DR fandom anymore, but I feel like I still see my fair share of Kokichi hate whenever I peak in.
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."