Ambiguous Name: Franchise.Super Mario Bros

This should be renamed to Franchise/Mario. Super Mario is a subset of it (all of the platformers) and Super Mario Bros is a subsubset.

Wikipedia uses this logic, calling the franchise Mario and the platformers (both 2D and 3D) as the Super Mario subseries. Nintendo's naming convention also follows this; only a few exceptions, such as Super Mario Kart, break the "Super Mario" platforming series name rule.

edited 23rd Nov '17 8:08:24 PM by occono

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This is a non-English-language work, so I don't believe a full TRS thread is necessary.

But because we're already here, we need to determine the most recent official English name of the series. Keep in mind that individual game titles are not sufficient to determine this; only a source for the name of the series itself would count.

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Note: the linked page is the Multimedia Franchise page. This would be the hub to the various Mario media, including Series, Literature, and Film.

The videogame franchise would be troped/indexed under a different page.

edited 30th Nov '17 9:13:58 AM by crazysamaritan

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I'd definitely say "no" on a move. While OP is not wrong that Super Mario Bros is a sub-subset of the Super Mario games, at the same time, Super Mario Bros is, generally speaking, the jumping off point for the franchise in most new media. The Film, Western Animation, Pinball at least were "Super Mario Bros."

Given the sheer scale here (5,449 wicks), it doesn't seem worth the effort for a fairly lateral move.

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It's certainly clear that Super Mario Bros. is the common name, and given the lack of consistency in previous Nintendo translations on the Mario vs. Super Mario vs. Super Mario Bros. front, an argument can be made that it's not worth the effort to determine "most recent" in these sorts of circumstances.

If we had a policy written down on "consistently inconsistent" translations such as this one, what would it say?

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Super Mario Bros is not a translated name.

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Support. "Super Mario Bros." is the name of the first game of the series, but the series as a whole is just called "Mario".

As an equivalent situation to compare, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is the name of the first book in the series, while the franchise is called Harry Potter.

edited 1st Dec '17 10:21:12 AM by Unknownlight

So, how much work would be needed to move it?

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A lot. There are over 5400 wicks to the main page. That said, there's also an additional 1500+ wicks to its redirects (which includes Franchise.Mario) so it's not like the page isn't already problematic.

Harry Potter is probably a poor example. The multimedia franchise name is officially J. K. Rowling's Wizarding World based on our own Franchise.Harry Potter page:

• Franchise page (this is the hub of all Mario-related media)
  • Videogame franchise page (this doesn't exist, they redirect to the Multimedia Franchise page instead)
    • Videogame.Super Mario Bros (this would be the Super Mario Bros platform series, but currently redirects to the Multimedia Franchise page instead)
    • VideoGame.Mario Bros
    • Additional video games in the franchise
  • Film.Super Mario Bros
  • Pinball.Super Mario Bros
  • Anime.The Great Mission To Save Princess Peach
  • WesternAnimation.Super Mario Bros
    • Series.The Super Mario Bros Super Show
    • WesternAnimation.The Adventures Of Super Mario Bros 3
    • WesternAnimation.Super Mario World

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In response to the claim that "Super Mario Bros. is not a translated name":

The fact that it was the English words "Super Mario Brothers" even in Japanese is currently irrelevant, because that is the name for the game, not necessarily the franchise.

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Are you asking whether "Mario" is the official name of the Mario franchise?

I didn't even know that was a question. Yes it is.

If you had looked at the link, you'd have seen that it was the live-action movie. The movie was originally created in English, not translated from any other language.

edited 3rd Dec '17 1:52:19 PM by crazysamaritan

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...I believe I am wholly confused over how translated names factor into any of this.

I'm confused about most of this thread, to be honest.

I was in no way referring to the movie.

Despite Super Mario Bros. being the name of the franchise even in Japanese, it may also be the official English name, though as noted above it's unclear if a consistent official English name exists.

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I don't know where you're getting this from. Both the English site and the Japanese site call it the "Mario" series.

Does that refer to the Multimedia Franchise or just the Videogames?

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The page only talks about the video games.

Again, this discussion confuses me. Is anyone genuinely here to argue that the franchise is not called the Mario series?

If there's an official name, it's almost certainly Mario.

If there's no official name, we would use the colloquial name, which is Mario.

The linked page is the Multimedia Franchise page. (A multimedia hub namespace for series with at least three work pages in different namespaces.) The purpose of the Multimedia page is to index the different media formats together and include examples of tropes common to all elements of the multimedia franchise.

Describing and troping "only the videogame franchise" belongs in the Videogame/ namespace.

edited 12th Dec '17 12:23:00 PM by crazysamaritan

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Please tell me what the name of the franchise would be other than Mario.

Yes, the main Mario homepage only talks about the video games, and that's because the games are the primary medium of the series.

What do you want?

The reason (well, aside from the other 5,468 reasons) why I say leave it at Franchise.Super Mario Bros is because when the franchise branched out into other mediums it's under the "Super Mario Bros." name.

Honestly, I'd probably phrase it that "Mario" is a brand, but the franchise (in terms of media and works) is "Super Mario Bros."

edited 12th Dec '17 1:20:13 PM by Larkmarn

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Eh, I consider those two different arguments. Arguing that it's not worth the trouble to move the page is totally valid. Arguing that the franchise isn't called "Mario" because of the movie and cartoon is... bizarre, quite frankly.

Besides, it's not even true. "The Super Mario Bros. Super Show" was named that because it was based on the original game Super Mario Bros. The show was then succeeded by "The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3" and "Super Mario World". The cartoon always was about specific games, not the franchise as a whole.

Not that it even matters. The other evidence is the live action movie and the pinball game? Nintendo doesn't even acknowledge the existence of any of these things, including the cartoon.

I know I'm repeating myself, but this argument is completely bizarre to me and I genuinely can't tell if you seriously mean it or if you're joking.

edited 12th Dec '17 1:46:40 PM by Unknownlight

On this website, the Multimedia Franchise namespace is limited to works with multiple media pages. The Videogame Franchise namespace is called VideoGame/.

I'm not clear on what page you're saying is wrong if you insist these works don't apply to the discussion.

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