It's pretty clear that this is YMMV, since all of its subtropes are.
This either needs to get moved to YMMV or made into an index.
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This looks like an index or something along those lines since there's no examples list.
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Seconding making it an index.
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making it an index
for index. Should we start cleaning up examples?
It should be noted that several of the tropes listed in Pacing Problems are not YMMV. Some are, some aren't.
No, the other one.
It reads like an overly detailed index, more specifically a subindex of Bad Writing Index.
I don't think it works as a trope, since as such it's really just complaining. "Problems relating to pacing" is just too general to work as a trope, even a broad supertrope. It also includes tropes that aren't necessarily problems with pacing, just commonly related to those problems, which is how indexes are used.
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So, do we want to cut it, since it may exist just to complain, or rework into an index?
I don't think it should be cut; it's actually useful to have a hub page for easy access to all these tropes. Let's turn it into an index. Should we get rid of all the text above "Beginning:", minus the quote?
edited 7th Nov '17 11:38:36 AM by Gosicrystal
An entire page for this feels unnecessary. The actual tropes listed should just be moved to a sub index on the Bad Writing Index
edited 10th Nov '17 9:52:31 AM by captainpat
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But the point is it's not a trope, it's a list of them, not all of which are listed under Bad Writing. That's why I want to make this an index or cut it as complaining.
Any options on cutting or indexing?
For what it's worth, most of the present description focuses on the issue of pacing problems, and their effect on a story, as a whole. This sort of Analysis would be absent in the descriptions of the individual problems; at best, it would be fragmented among the individual tropes in relation to each other.
In fact, upon further review, there is an index page that functions similarly and seems to do well: the page on Consistency.
I think that we should rewrite the index portion along the vein of that page; We would still have the "Beginning", "Middle", and "End" categories as headers, but then we would divide the indices among subheaders/folders based on whether the portion in question is too long or too short, adding subheads/folders for what the individual portions are and/or when they can be omitted.
And, yeah, the description may need a bit of tidying, but it doesn't need removal. Or else, we put the bulk of it on an Analysis page leaving only the first and most of the last paragraph on the page itself.
The index would be somewhat like this (Bullets used for Folders):
Beginning
- Too Much or Undesired Information
- Developing Doomed Characters: When the story spends too much time with something that isn't important.
- Intro Dump: Altogether too much information thrown at the reader at once in a big, ugly blob.
- Prolonged Prologue: When it takes too long just to get up to the first act.
- Slow-Paced Beginning: The start of the book, or just the prologue, is so slow and dense that the audience wonders if the story's started yet.
- Too Little Information
- Lost in Medias Res: The writer just can't wait to get started, so he throws the reader in at the deep end and expects them to figure things out on the way.
Middle
- The Main Plot is Taking Too Long
- Arc Fatigue: When there's just that one subplot, arc, or story that just. won't. end, while all you want to do is get it over with and get back to the real plot. Often a case involving a Romantic Plot Tumor (characters would rather develop a romantic subplot than help save the world or stop the villain).
- Exponential Plot Delay: When the real plot moves briskly at the beginning before slowing to a crawl.
- Diversions from the Plot
- Filler: When whole chapters/episodes contribute absolutely nothing to the main plot and are only there to make up the word count/screen time. Happens most often in television series rather than films or books, particularly adaptations of ongoing print media series that must be produced at a slower rate than their television counterpart.
- Padding: This is filler on a smaller level, and usually happens to books, songs, films, and individual episodes.
- Plot Detour: When the characters, against all logic, ignore the main plot to pursue something unimportant.
Ending
- Not Enough Time Left
- Cosmic Deadline: When the reader is hit with a glut of action (usually with a helping of Deus ex Machina) right at the end of the tale. Any dangling plot threads are solved here or totally forgotten about.
- Too Much Time Left or Not Enough Interest Left
- Ending Fatigue: Something of an effect more than a cause of Pacing Problems, this is when the reader loses interest before the end out of boredom, plot incoherence, or just plain disinterest, and outright stops reading.
Looks good.
Looking over Consistency, it says "No examples please — this is just a descriptive Super-Trope and index." If we add that to Pacing Problems and then remove any uses as a trope, I'd say it would be fixed enough. Any objections?
edited 13th Nov '17 1:50:17 PM by Ferot_Dreadnaught
Over a month. Bump.
Make this an index anyone?
for index. Also hollering for a clock (if there isn't enough consensus already, that is).
Clock set per request.
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At a quick glance, all 9 responders with an opinion are saying "Index".
V - Make that 10.
VV - 11.
edited 14th Apr '18 7:50:59 AM by Malady
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Yes to both an index and the format in post 13.
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Looks like good enough consensus for "Index". Let's make it so.
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So should we start cleaning up wicks?
Bump.
Then links to this are to be deleted?
I'm going to move this page to the new page "Pacing Problems Index", redirect, then remove all Pacing Problems examples (replacing with sub-tropes when applicable).
Can I get started on that? Or should I just dewick Pacing Problems?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jan 11th 2019 at 6:12:30 AM
You should dewick Pacing Problems, because indexes don't get listed as tropes as presumably most of Pacing Problems' wicks do.
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I'm seeing this trope use in YMMV pages for any complaints about pacing, despite it not being YMMV. The non-YMMV uses are ZEC or complaining. Any of the problems could be moved to tropes listed under Pacing Problems.
I think pacing problems should be made and index, not a trope.