Not Tropeworthy: Fuku Fic

I still disagree.

I could see making 2 supertropes, Magical Girl AU and Joining The Team Fan Fic but the page itself is fine, its a documented phenomenon that was a down right fan fic plague at one time.

edited 19th May '17 4:16:12 PM by Memers

A trope that is no longer made anymore is still a trope.

I'm not certain Fuku Fic is a trope; I'm just not seeing strong evidence to stop using it. If someone could provide evidence that Fuku Fic meant something different outside of this site, or that it's getting consistently misused for something that doesn't match the definition...

edited 22nd May '17 8:36:02 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Googling Fuku Fic gives 866,000 results and well tons of websites and wikis dedicated to this. Its pretty stupid how many fics and websites there are to this.

Some of the bigger ones haven't been updated in a while, which lends credence to the Dead Horse Trope.

But again we should just make the supertropes and leave this alone.

edited 19th May '17 6:46:34 PM by Memers

I've been doing some digging and, apparently, we already do have a trope for when two franchises get crossovered a lot from the fanbase: Common Crossover

Considering this trope already exists, the point could be argued that Fuku Fic is The Same, but More Specific version of Common Crossover.

I'd still consider the idea of making Common Crossover a Super-Trope and have this be a sub-trope to it for fics that share the same over all premise and theme of Fuku Fic but, whatever we end up doing, we should keep the above in mind.

It isnt just a Common Crossover fan fic but also a Joining Their Team Fan Fic, Magical Girl AU and a few other things that probably should exist as tropes in of themselves.

Splitting the trope into multiple, more encompassing Tropes would probably be the best course of action at this point. We can add the examples to their respective pages.

More like those would be a supertrope to this one.

The best course of action is to focus on some actual problems this wiki has, rather than this imagined one.

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I mean, if four out of five dentists say there's a problem...

Can you please show me where you got the "four out of five" numbers from, or are you just making them up for the purpose of your argument?

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There's the person who started the trope, myself, Memers, Karxride for starters. There are a few others from what I've been reading through the pages.

Overall, there's more response that there is a problem here than there isn't from what I've been reading in the thread. Obviously something needs to be done here, if not with the trope itself than breaking it up into several more encompassing tropes, which seems to be the general response for this thread.

People who say there is a problem: The_Nemesis / Karxrida / bwburke94 / Toko WH

People who say there isn't: Another Duck / Memers / Larkman / Zyffyr / Water Blap

Nocomittal responses: Crazysamaritan

4 out of 5? Try 4 out of 9 who have expressed a specific opinion on it, 4 out of 10 total respondents.

I mean you can have super specific tropes like Char Clone and Shana Clone if prevalent and specific enough. And this most certainly is prevalent and specific enough if a Dead Horse Trope.

It is possibly missing its supertropes though which should be taken to YKTTW.

Chiming in with a possible third option: why not make it a sub-genre?

I think I understand why OP and others have trouble seeing it as a trope. Sidestepping issues of broadness/depth, it gives off the feeling of unnecessary narrowness given it only deals a single crossover between two works. However, as Samaritan mentioned with the Too Rare To Trope quote, it could still be a trope so long as the pattern is valid. While I agree with that, it still doesn't feel like a trope.

I think the "clone" tropes aren't similar enough to apply here. It's not the same character across the examples. Instead, it's essentially a micro-archetype/expy. In this case, the defining purpose for this trope requires a crossover between two existing works.

Honestly, it looks like it could work as a genre. It would still contain examples, still have a description, and would archive a dying trend in fanfics. I agree with the sentiment that this is a unique case in internet/fanfic history. It certainly fits within the scope of the wiki, but not necessarily as a trope.

Edit: I was going to say more about the apple cart metaphor and the Ugandan literature theory, but the thought escaped me.

edited 21st May '17 3:38:44 PM by pokedude10

I was asked to chime in here, and it is my personal opinion, as an original lumper, that subdividing tropes like Common Crossover into these very narrow, precise categories generates no value. I'm not even convinced that they are tropes as we define them, but that's a slightly different issue to tackle.

We had this sort of problem back with Fountain of Expies, when people were making tropes for every single time some original character was popular enough to get copied a bunch of times. These concepts are too narrow; they add no original information to the basic trope. In all cases, a commonly used package of tropes: certain characterization elements, plot and setting elements, and whatnot, is being copied. The fact of the copying is a tropable concept, but each particular thing being copied is not a discrete trope in and of itself.

Edit: Which is not to say that the nicknames for these actions (e.g., "fuku fic") are not real terms, but that we should treat them as Fanspeak, not tropes.

edited 21st May '17 5:07:25 PM by Fighteer

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Well, Fountain of Expies has generated a bunch of problematic pages. How many problematic pages has this generated? How well do the problems of the Expy tropes correlate to the problems of Common Crossover?

This isn't about whether it generates value in subdividing that trope, though. This is about whether it generates value in lumping it. I've not seen any evidence for that.

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Agreed I mean this is basically a genre of fanfics, which while it might be specific it is still a genre.

The only 'problem' it has is that some related tropes are missing which isnt a slight on this page just a case for YKTTW to do its magic.

Also I would certainly not want to redirect the name to anything else, it is the preexisting term strictly for what is on the page.

edited 21st May '17 11:48:24 PM by Memers

Genre page sounds like a good idea. There are interesting tropes involved in this genre that should be written and collected, but that doesn't need TRS thread supervision.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Maybe an index. But calling it a "genre" seems to be vastly overstating its significance. If there's one thing fans do, especially around fanfic, it's take transient memes and get REALLY SUPER EXCITED about them.

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I dunno, I see enough examples here that this phenomenon qualifies as it's own niche genre of classic era (ie: the 90s and early 00s) fanfic.

I say keep it.

Here's my two cents on the issue. Due to how specific Fuku Fic is, it, IMHO, feels like a Fan Nickname for a specific style of Common Crossover.

There's no getting around that. The question is whether it's a trope, which was already an iffy proposition in 2007 because of the "same, but more specific" problem.

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Honestly I just think we need to close this thread. There is no actual problem with the page, it is well maintained and no misuse at all. Its just cluttering up the repairshop.

Numerous people have already made it clear that they're against doing nothing and find this not tropeworthy.

We should probably run a crowner, if anything.

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Its been a fanfic genre since before the site even existed.