Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite

i would agree with you, but the You Tube comments are also the Reddit, Facebook, DFO Nexus and shoryuken.com comments too... so it's kind of hard to avoid. if i still frequented Dustloop i probably would see the same thing over there too. in fact, this forum right here is the only one i haven't seen seething in hatred for this game.

(bonus points for getting called a broke ass Jew from users at Shoryuken, which surprisingly is relatively tame for the fighting game community. was legitimately expecting death threats for pointing out SFV/MVCI DLC practices are less screwy for customers than Guilty Gear releasing patches as games ad nauseum.)

edited 20th Aug '17 11:02:56 PM by Freecom

So one thing that comes to mind when it comes to the visuals and aesthetics. KOF XIV had similar complaints when it was revealed about it's graphics, and I was one of the people complaining. But over time, they tweaked them enough to be more tolerable, since the poor visuals were offset by the 50 character large roster, from a company that had just gotten back into game development after years of Pachislot focus. All those models were made from scratch, and had a varied collection of mainstays, old returning characters and newcomers.

Meanwhile, Marvel vs Capcom Infinite is using recycled models and bringing in only a handful of new characters for a 30 character launch roster. A game by Capcom, a studio with constant game development, and being backed by Marvel, a huge media presence.

I seriously want to know what the hell KOF XIV and SNK had that Capcom didn't. How a company with a small team and budget managed to pull off a roster that big off the bat. I feel like there's something about SNK's parent Chinese company that allowed them to do that, or something behind the scenes at Capcom stopping them from doing what SNK did.

The X-clusion? Also being only a 2v2 game, a 30-count without clones is pretty good, just marred by how many are rehashes of MVC 3 characters. Also MVC 3 vanilla had 36, did people complain about that? I know SFXT had 43 (?) and Smash had 49 (this excludes Dr. Mario and Dark Pit) but yeah.

Also, I don't think people would forgive Capcom for having KOF 14 graphics. People just expect more from Capcom than that.

edit: I'm curious, since I can't really look at it on Steam right now (local pricing making Guilty Gear cost half as much as it should). How much in USD were the launch prices of SFV + Season 1 + Season 2 vs Guilty Gear Xrd: Sign, Rev 1, Rev 2 upgrade, and Rev 2's DLC characters?

edited 21st Aug '17 5:59:56 AM by Malco

I think the distinct lack of anything new is why the roster seems so small. Old characters recycled completely and a thimbleful of new ones. It's not Guilty Gear where everyone got a makeover in Unreal Engine.

Whoa. Did you come up with that yourself or have people been using that particular phrase to refer to the lack of X-Men characters beforehand? Because it's pretty rad.

But yeah, while I get that people are panicky about the veteran-heavy roster, I'm kind of, in a sense, somewhat relieved about them establishing the veterans as of now.

I know that might make me sound like a jerk, but I can't begin to describe how antsy I would get when Nintendo took their sweet time announcing veterans in Smash Bros. 4.

Make no mistake, I too am concerned about the lack of X-Men, but I think I can understand why it's like this and why the roster is MCU-centered.

MvCI is supposed to reel in casual people who aren't used to hardcore fighting games, right? So it would make sense to assume the casual audience's introduction to Marvel as a whole would be the MCU and to the casual audience's eye (in a nutshell):

"Marvel movies from Marvel Studios" = "top-tier grade A superhero movies"

"Marvel movies from Fox or anyone else who isn't Marvel Studios" = "middle-tier grade B or C superhero movies (with two exceptions)"

Yeah, it's a bummer, but it's not like they don't know we want the X-Men, right? I'm positive they'll come around eventually.

(Also, sorry about the gargantuan post.)

edited 21st Aug '17 7:43:18 AM by TargetmasterJoe

No offense, but bullshit. If you're gonna sit here and tell me Wolverine isn't one of the most recognizable and popular fictional characters ever created, excuse me if I stand off to the side so your growing nose doesn't hit me.

The X-Men are, even with the rise of the MCU, some of the most recognizable and popular characters Marvel publishes. Why do you think there's a big stink being raised about their absence but not say, Black Bolt or Medusa?

edited 21st Aug '17 7:55:40 AM by comicwriter

Honestly, I was coming into this game knowing the Marvel side would be MCU focused. The lack of Doom, Deadpool, Psylocke, and X-23 bums me out, but I expected it.

It's the Capcom side that's really disappointing me roster-wise. I honestly hope Capcom takes note of the fact that a large amount of the praise this game is getting is from the newcomers X, Jedah, and (allegedly) female Monster Hunter, and then proceed to add in other highly requested newcomers to that side. Like seriously, half of the roster space is largely free from the influence of corporate politics, they should be taking more of an advantage of that.

@ comicwriter: None taken, but maybe I should clarify that I was trying to see the situation from their side.

But yes, you're not wrong. The X-Men are one of the most recognizable superheroes out there.

Really, if anyone's the bad guy, it's Ike Perlmutter.

(Stupid lousy Ike Perlmutter driving us up the wall with his Fox vendetta. Getting us all panicked that we might not see the X-Men in MvCI even though they and Capcom have been an item since Children of the Atom. Grrrrrr.)

EDIT: Sigh, as psyched as I am about X, I will admit that you're not wrong either.

Watching a longplay of Resident Evil 4 ages ago has gotten me to really like Leon S. Kennedy, and after watching a longplay of Dino Crisis the other night got me to want Regina to show up here.

(And also Gene, Asura, and the witch lady from Red Earth whose name I can't remember now. But I guess that's besides the point...)

Actually, there's a thought: how come the Capcom side is looking underwhelming with their equally veteran-heavy side?

edited 21st Aug '17 8:30:26 AM by TargetmasterJoe

DLC should not be used to cover the bare minimum.

Because they chose the wrong veterans. They brought back the oddballs like Spencer^note They also nerfed his hype-ass move and Chris instead of the favorites like Amaterasu, Wesker, and Vergil.

Blame combofiend for Spencer, but Chris is from Capcom's best selling game of all time.

That means more to Capcom than Okami.

Not that this remotely exonerates Capcom, but KOF XIV's roster apparently wasn't made from scratch. For XII and XIII, they made 3-D models as bases for the new sprites to springboard off of, but they were too shitty looking (and, imho, still are) to use in and of themselves, and SNK still wanted to honor their sprite based roots.

They only models they had to make entirely from scratch were the new characters, which, given everything that was said about them already, is still pretty impressive given just how many new faces are in XIV - exactly 3 times as many as Infinite's core roster.

Bayonetta would wipe the mat with Galactus. Just saying.

Spencer sucks. Hard. It cannot be said how badly Spencer sucks as a character, how badly his game sucks, and how much better Rico Rodriguez and ''Just Cause 3'' are at...everything ''Bionic Commando'' fails at.. The only reason this unexciting, uninteresting 90's comic reject is here is because there's a model from back when people thought he was going to matter.

Which he doesn't.

But you know...

BIONIC... A-youhaveametalarmthatissocool

edited 21st Aug '17 12:18:59 PM by JRads47

Reused assets bro.

Yup gotta reuse those assets, even if its for a character no one likes.

Not having Wolverine or Deadpool is just unforgivable/irredeemable.

Rico Rodriguez saves David Tennant from an insane dictator who kidnaps him to give out propaganda speeches. (Long story).

Spencer...exists.

Point to Rico.

I know and that's why this cheap, lame cash grab annoys me so much. If they put 1/10th the effort that got out into Injustice 2...

edited 21st Aug '17 1:10:29 PM by Beatman1

Pretty sure I said this already but I'll re-assert it: Leon should've replaced Chris this time; he's just more popular. Failing that, they at the very least could have updated his look; he's been in 2 games and a movie since U Mv C 3, and it's not like RE 5 is far and away his most loved/iconic era like Dante with DMC 3.

And if the reason they brought Nemesis in was for ... his function, they could've gone with Jack Baker, another lumbering, hulking, heavy-hitter from a recent entry in the series that was critically acclaimed.

Not that this remotely exonerates Capcom, but KOF XIV's roster apparently wasn't made from scratch. For XII and XIII, they made 3-D models as bases for the new sprites to springboard off of, but they were too shitty looking (and, imho, still are) to use in and of themselves, and SNK still wanted to honor their sprite based roots.

They only models they had to make entirely from scratch were the new characters, which, given everything that was said about them already, is still pretty impressive given just how many new faces are in XIV - exactly 3 times as many as Infinite's core roster.

In an interview in 2016 Yasuyuki Oda said that they didn't actually have any of the XIII assets to use. I'm not sure how much truth there is to that, but if that is true, it makes me wonder what SNK had that Capcom didn't.

One thing that bugs me about the Marvel side of the roster, is among some other baffling exclusions, where's Loki and Scarlet Witch? Back when I was thinking up of what they could do for MVC 4, those two seemed like shoe-ins. Yet the story mode is going to exclude a member of the Avengers and one of the main characters in their second movie (Which also applies to Black Window, but that's another story), and arguably the most beloved MCU villain of all.

The Super Best Friends brought up that they could have given Nemesis' functions to Groot and make him his own character instead of an assist for Rocket.

edited 21st Aug '17 1:53:10 PM by Emperordaein

Nemesis is the more iconic of the two, so I can see how he got in. 3 was a long time ago, but he's still one of the franchise's most recognizable villains.

There are so many Marvel characters that seemed like shoe-ins that I'm guessing were passed over because laziness.

edited 21st Aug '17 1:53:31 PM by comicwriter

The roster is MCU focused but they couldn't even do that right.

Yeah where the fuck is Loki? Dude's a real popular character.

My only complaint about Spencer is that he's still based on his 09 incarnation, including in general moveset, instead of incorporating some of his powers and abilities in the original and Rearmed series. But gotta reuse those assets, I suppose.

You would think given Loki was the villain of one of the biggest movies...ever, but nope! Reuse ALL THE ASSETS.

Unless they involve stuff Fox owns. Then the hell with them.

My major beef with the Marvel side of the roster is the lack of non-MCU characters. Putting aside the possibilities with DLC and the Fox-ban BS, they've said that the roster would not be limited to just MCU characters, and all they've got to show for that at launch are... 2 characters (Nova and the Johnny Blaze incarnation of Ghost Rider, and even saying that those two are non-MCU characters is really stretching it), maybe 3 if you count the Venom symbiote (which I won't until I see Eddie Brock wearing the suit).