Duplicate Trope: Hollywood Law

I'm looking at this article, and I'm not seeing any actual differences from Artistic License – Law: they're both basically "writing mistakes or Rule of Index in the portrayal of legal proceedings".

Just rechecked Artistic License – Law. Only difference I'm seeing is that Hollywood Law is the one to be troped, while Artistic License – Law is treated like an index. Do we need this?

edited 1st Oct '16 12:45:00 PM by Berrenta

Most of the description of Hollywood Law seems off-base for this wiki, talking more about how laws are defined in Real Life than any specific fictional applications (though generalizations about media portrayals abound: "Many shows give the impression that..."). However, several points are already tropes of their own, and a few others seem quite tropeworthy (I would count Shoot the Dead Guy as one).

I'd say that Hollywood Law seems more like the supertrope Artistic License – Law claims to be.

Can probaby be condensed into one proper supertrope, with examples that don't cover a specific subtrope, and perhaps those that use have multiple subtropes.

Possibly make one into a more index-like index, without the Wall of Text.

Overall, there's just too much Useful Notes about how it works in Real Life. It's enough if tropes are described in detail on their own pages. They don't need to be described in multiple or long paragraphs on indices or supertropes. Just a short laconic-like description is enough.

In particular, a supertrope should not include examples (or "examples") of the subtropes, like Artistic License – Law does.

edited 1st Oct '16 5:37:45 PM by AnotherDuck

See, to me this page has been a list of various common ways that the law is misrepresented in fiction, while Artistic License – Law is the list of all errors made in works. Hollywood Law might work better as a kind of analysis like page rather than with examples.

Also, the Example Indentation and the flow of the common example section need cleaning. I am not convinced, for one thing, that age of consent matters belong as a subpoint to "dropping the charges".

I could agree with that. Move much of the description of Hollywood Law to Analysis.Artistic License Law and kick any examples to Main.Artistic License Law as an indexing supertrope.

edited 4th Oct '16 7:14:42 PM by StarSword

The odd thing I notice is for most indexes, Artistic License is the supertrope, and Hollywood X the subtrope. Like Artistic License – Biology vs. Hollywood Evolution. So maybe it would make more sense if this was renamed Artistic License – Law, with Hollywood Law listing their specific subtropes such as Bail Equals Freedom, etc.?

I'm not entirely sure which page should be which, but all of the general claims about how law is "usually" treated in fiction (Common Examples folder on Hollywood Law, and most of Artistic License – Law), as well as how it actually works IRL, should be in an Analysis page (or possibly Useful Notes).

The actual trope page would probably be better off with an index section with all subtropes (those listed on Artistic License – Law) and optionally a brief description of them, followed by the actual examples of the instances that do not involve any specific subtrope (which should be on that subtrope instead, as per usual).

edited 7th Oct '16 3:36:57 PM by AnotherDuck

Yeah, but Hollywood Evolution is specifically Artistic License – Biology as applied to the specific case of evolution, a clear subtrope. Whereas if somebody can see how Hollywood Law is a specific subset of Artistic License – Law instead of the whole thing, they're smarter than me...

edited 7th Oct '16 7:20:51 PM by StarSword

I agree with moving the examples to Artistic License – Law and making Hollywood Law a supertrope with examples which don't fit on any other trope. That seems like the best course of action.

edited 16th Oct '16 10:00:39 AM by maxwellsilver

I agree, it seems most consistent with existing tropes here.

Why not just redirect Hollywood Law to Artistic License – Law and put non-subtrope examples there?

Where would we list subtropes? At the moment it's an index.

How about listing subtropes on the index? Just make AL-Law an indexing supertrope like Artistic License – Medicine and the others.

I think we should move the tropes in Hollywood Law into Artistic License and make Hollywood Law the index to make it consistent. This would be a lot of work I realize though.

I wondered myself if Hollywood Law may work as a kind of Subtext-like self demonstrating page, i.e describing common patterns of fictional law in paragraph format.

Glanced at the pages because of this thread; they do seem remarkably like duplicates. I was expecting Hollywood Law to be California law being portrayed instead of the correct state/country law.

This issue has been mentioned in the past: Hollywood Style

I think that SoCalization is used for the specific case for CA. Personally, I use "We (don't) all live in California" for the specific case of CA and age of consent laws.

I stand behind my suggestion, if that matters. Assuming it's accepted then I'd be happy to help in any change.

I think a multi-proposition crowner is needed here, but we may not even get consensus to do anything.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/HollywoodLaw

Ok, Fireblood, can you maybe rephrase your suggestion a bit? I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting here.

Hollering for a hook.

I've added my suggestion. Hopefully it was clear.

Hooked the crowner, but also downvoted both options because they don't account for the use of the snowclone patterns - Artistic License whatever is just any mistake, Hollywood X is for a somewhat more consistent pattern.