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A thread for discussing representation and diversity in all kinds of media. This covers creators and casting decisions as well as characters and in-universe discussions.

Historical works and decisions are in-scope as well, not just recent news.

Please put any spoilers behind tags and clearly state which work(s) they apply to.

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For discussing any racial, gender, and orientation misdoings happening across various movies and the film industry today.

This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.


(Edited April 19 2024 to add mod pinned post)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#9901: Jun 27th 2017 at 5:01:51 AM

[up]Meaning I need to buy the Blu-Ray.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#9902: Jun 27th 2017 at 8:01:42 AM

Let's hope they hire a decent costume designer for the sequel.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#9903: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:23:15 PM

Fork Films (founded by Abigail Disney) is funding this year 16 documentary films, 14 of which are directed by women and on a wide variety of topics from reproductive rights to mental health to anti-Islamic conflicts.

Needs More Gay covers queer themes in the Power Rangers series and recent film adaptation.

Mark Ruffalo declares that he is "woke to the transgender experience"... by producing a very un-woke film depicting trans people getting once again played by cis men.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#9904: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:27:04 PM

I'm happy that the Power Rangers movie might be getting a sequel. I really enjoyed the film myself, and was worried that the low box office might have prevented continuations.

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#9905: Jun 27th 2017 at 7:19:03 PM

It is?! Sweet! That movie was amazing during the 90% of its runtime where it wasn't overtly being a Power Rangers movie. Like, even some of the general Ranger bits like trying to morph and the training montage are great. It's just when shit like Rita and the Zords are directly onscreen that it falls apart.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#9906: Jun 27th 2017 at 8:51:57 PM

[up] don't say that. Now we'll get no Rita and no Zords in the sequel tongue

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#9907: Jun 28th 2017 at 6:31:01 AM

[up]There had better be Zords.

I think the movie did have some uneven pacing, as much as I liked it. You do care about the characters in their Breakfast Club remake, and then your reward for all that is the giant robots and Putty fights. The film KNOWS this, given what plays when we get the Zords.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#9908: Jun 28th 2017 at 9:43:56 AM

The Mary Sue article on the "space racist" trope as applied to women of color.

https://www.themarysue.com/space-racist-trope-needs-to-go-away/

I do find myself agreeing very much with this article having had similar complaints with stuff like the X-Men myself, particularly the infamous "n-word lover" moment from God Loves, Man Kills.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#9909: Jun 28th 2017 at 1:53:14 PM

The most prominent example I can think of is Ashley Williams in Mass Effect. I'll have to think about her character, because she is prejudiced against aliens but was never prejudiced against because she was Latina - it was because of her family and the stigma that came with it.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#9910: Jun 28th 2017 at 4:34:53 PM

The Academy just inducted in a record 774 members (one hundred more than last year), from Gal Gadot to Leslie Jones to Jordan Peele, Donald Glover, Dwayne Johnson...

Cheryl Boone Isaacs, President of the Academy: "We are not looking at numbers [in terms of sheer growth]. What we are looking for is inclusion. Whether the numbers will continue to be at these levels we will know each year, but probably not. We are not looking to grow the organization. We are looking to have our organization more representative of men and women, here and around the world who are participating in the art form. We are not looking to increase membership. The goal is instead to increase a diverse membership that represents us around the world."

Halle Berry is looking to go into directing, having decided that her 2002 Oscar win (the only time a black woman has won Best Actress) has been nil in increasing diversity.

It's troubling, to say the least. A few years ago, when there was a complete blackout for us (referring to #OscarsSoWhite), it was probably one of my lowest professional moments. I thought wow...that moment meant nothing. I was profoundly hurt and saddened by that.

edited 28th Jun '17 4:36:06 PM by Tuckerscreator

hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#9911: Jun 28th 2017 at 10:10:03 PM

There is also Poison Ivy's debacle of aging up a child character (but basically she still has what's essentially the mind of a child) to an adult seductress for the explicit use of Fanservice. So essentially a child in a woman's body used for eye-candy.

Wait... what? Google isn't telling me when Poison Ivy was a child.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#9912: Jun 29th 2017 at 4:01:00 AM

Aging up in-universe. I watched 1 1/2 season of Gotham, and Ivy was a kid, a 12 years old redhead Creepy Child about the same age as Bruce & Selina. Apparently later on they used some plot device to age her body, meaning that she is now played by an adult actress behaving like a 12 yo.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#9913: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:03:21 AM

So the official trailer for the Jumanji reboot dropped and wow. They seriously went there with the two female characters?

one of the girls is transformed into Karen Gillen's character basically the Hollywood homely becomes insanely hot trope. The other girl is turned into Jack Black. Basically a double whammy of tone deaf gender writing and this was after the complaints of Gillen's outfit.

https://youtu.be/2QKg5SZ_35I

edited 29th Jun '17 7:54:54 AM by windleopard

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#9914: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:06:21 AM

We've been over this. Please don't just drop a link and say "discuss." I can't view Youtube links at the moment so I have no idea what you're hinting at.

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#9915: Jun 29th 2017 at 10:13:35 AM

Michelle Rodriguez has threatened to leave the Fast and Furious franchise if the series doesn't improve on its limited amount of female roles. I have absolutely no investment in the Fast and Furious franchise, but the fact that one of the actors of such a popular franchise is willing to leave does seem like a big deal to me.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#9916: Jun 29th 2017 at 10:19:40 AM

But 7 had that wonderful Designated Girl Fight back when Hollywood was desperately trying to Rhonda Rousey the next big thing.

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#9917: Jun 29th 2017 at 10:45:10 AM

[up][up] Didn't they definitely end the series when Paul Walker died and Vin Diesel's character was killed off? Particularly considering that it was beating a dead horse for at least three last movies and the writing is so dumb that beefcake machismo is expected if not outright unavoidable?

The most prominent example I can think of is Ashley Williams in Mass Effect.
If you romance her, you can convince her to stop being racist. Although do remember that her prejudices stem directly from her family, as grandpa Williams had his ass handed over to him by Turians on Shaanxi.

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#9918: Jun 29th 2017 at 10:45:32 AM

They never killed Vin Diesel's character off.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#9919: Jun 29th 2017 at 11:18:42 AM

[up][up] Didn't they definitely end the series when Paul Walker died and Vin Diesel's character was killed off? Particularly considering that it was beating a dead horse for at least three last movies and the writing is so dumb that beefcake machismo is expected if not outright unavoidable?

Okay, posts like that with no basis in reality don't help anyone. Seriously, I have no affection for the Fast and the Furious movies (The Rock aside, but I like him in literally anything), but your first sentence was utterly untrue and the first part of the second sentence is straight up delusional. The last three movies are what revitalized a completely ailing franchise into a huge moneymaker.

I was so distracted by the nonsensical statements I basically glazed over your final point which is actually not that far off.

edited 29th Jun '17 11:58:18 AM by Larkmarn

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#9921: Jun 29th 2017 at 1:35:50 PM

Huh. Damned decent of you, Netflix.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#9922: Jun 29th 2017 at 3:52:58 PM

Today in white people, Emilia Clarke has said that facing sexism in the entertainment industry is "like dealing with racism."

Actually it's like dealing with sexism, Emilia.

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#9923: Jun 29th 2017 at 4:52:30 PM

Well both are forms of discrimination based on irrelevant traits you didn't choose. I don't get why this comparison is so wrong.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#9924: Jun 29th 2017 at 5:06:39 PM

I think her larger statement in context has a point but I do worry it continues to portray racism and sexism as separate issues rather than frequently intersecting ones.

Clarke: You're aware of it, but one day you go, 'Oh, my God, it's everywhere!' Like you suddenly wake up to it, and you go, 'Wait a f——— second, are you ... treating me different because I've got a pair of t—-? Is that actually happening?' It took me a really long time to see that I do get treated differently. But I look around, and that's my daily life.

HBO is producing a new adaptation of Fahrenheit 451, starring Michael B. Jordan, Laura Harrier, Lily Singh, directed by Ramin Bahrani and written by Amir Naderi.

edited 29th Jun '17 5:07:24 PM by Tuckerscreator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#9925: Jun 29th 2017 at 7:14:25 PM

I wonder how they're going to update the technology to fit the modern era, considering just how prophetic the original story was about media and how it controls our lives. Maybe they'll just portray it as a contemporary work instead of focusing on the scifi elements.


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