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Probably because of how much more prevalent "Stranger Danger" has become in the last few decades?
Either way, it's not that good of an example. I think it can be safely cut.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 11th 2019 at 9:38:44 AM
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Just cut it as stretching.
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Seeing the YMMV
page, there are some things that seem off.
- A 1976 cover of Sesame Street magazine showed Cookie Monster attacking the Twin Towers. Obviously intended as a parody of the then-current hype for King Kong, but 25 years later, it stopped being funny (unless you have a dark sense of humor). Would this count as an example?
- In this 1992 clip, Elmo pretends to be an obnoxious wind-up toy. Four years later comes Tickle Me Elmo, amid other merchandise. Though 'Tickle Me Elmo' isn't so funny anymore. Link is dead. seems like it talked about the case of the puppeteer acused of sexual harrassment, which I don't see much relation with either 'Tickle-Me Elmo' or the original scene.
- In The Movie The Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland, Elmo has a poster of Tiger Woods in his bedroom. Woods' career was nearly destroyed when it was found out he was having affairs with multiple women. The career of Elmo's puppeteer, Kevin Clash, was destroyed by similar circumstances. This seems correct.
- Bill Cosby once made frequent cameo appearances on Sesame Street and various other kids' shows. After numerous rape allegations, it's unlikely he'll ever show up again. No relation between his appearances and the later allegations.
- Gee, guys, we know you were trying to teach skip counting, but did you have to recalibrate the episode numbering protocol and skip over seventy four numbers in the process? I don't even know what this is supposed to be.
- A 1976 cover of Sesame Street
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Only the Cookie Monster thing I can see counting under current criteria. The others are stretching.
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I'll post a potential example here for YMMV.Neon Genesis Evangelion:
- In the episode "Moment, Heart, Together", the Studio Fantasia building's destruction during Asuka and Shinji's first battle with Israfel becomes harder to swallow when the studio went bankrupt a little over 11 years after this episode aired on TV Tokyo.
Thoughts or is it misuse?
Edited by gjjones on Aug 19th 2019 at 2:54:24 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
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Oh, and since the last time I checked, the Fantasia entry wasn't added in the first place after all.
I wanted to ask before I can put it in, that's all.
Edited by gjjones on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:56:23 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
So, where do we stand on examples that are basically just "something happened to the World Trade Center in a work made before 9/11"? Because I've seen quite a few of those, most recently on YMMV.Extreme Ghostbusters.
Anything less than an outright "plane crashing into it" should probably be cut, IMO. Though specifics would help.
Edit: On second thought, that might be overstating it a little, as this isn't one of those "being an actor does not magically make you immortal" things. So reiterating the point about specifics.
Edited by nrjxll on Dec 9th 2019 at 1:13:32 PM
The one on YMMV.Extreme Ghostbusters is about a Blob Monster devouring the WTC...
The only one of these I've seen that I think is worth keeping is the one says the reason the towers aren't in Deus Ex's skybox is because they were destroyed in a terrorist attack years prior, and the game was released in 2000.
Ironically though, this isn't even a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment or Harsher in Hindsight example on YMMV.Deus Ex, it was just mentioned off-hand on Monumental Damage.
Edited by Primis on Dec 10th 2019 at 8:56:29 AM
- "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: The trailer for Infinite, which employs Linkin Park-esque nu metal rap rock note along with general edginess to the point of self-parody, was released the same day as the announcement of Chester Bennington's — who was the band's lead singer — suicide.
So making Linkin Park-esque music is a funny aneurysm moment because one of the members committed suicide? Nice logic there.
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The release happening on the day of the suicide seems to be what makes the difference. Still, other than possibly that I agree not an example as it's just 'this happened, then that happened'.
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It wasn't meant to be funny to begin with. Cut.
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I just added an example for Kobe Bryant in sports. I think he's an example, but I also know that I'm a bit in shock from the news and wouldn't mind a second opinion.
For reference, the text of that entry:
- On January 25th 2020, retired NBA legend Kobe Bryant was in the news when LeBron James passed him for third on the all-time scoring list. The very next day, Kobe suddenly died at age 41 in a helicopter crash.
I have cut it. It's Not an Example. At all.
I guess you're taking the news kind of hard, so I don't want to be too rough on you, but dude. What part of
- A "funny aneurysm" moment is when a scene, joke, or offhand line that was originally meant to be funny or lighthearted becomes cringeworthy due to the unfortunate and/or traumatic events in future installments/episodes of a work or in real life.
...applies here?
Edited by HighCrate on Jan 26th 2020 at 1:09:52 AM
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Yeah, it seems like Harsher in Hindsight... and in very poor taste.
I'm not seeing it. That said, since you brought it up, the Sports section has some godawful misuse even considering the dire state of this "trope". I mean,
"13 years later, Babe Ruth eventually literally died?" Seriously??
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regarding Kobe Bryant, but I think the rest of the point is still relevant.
Edited by nrjxll on Jan 26th 2020 at 3:14:11 AM
It's not HIH either. It's not anything. It's just a bad thing that happened to someone.
Edit: Yes, good call. Lots of "whoa, turns out celebrities are mortal!" BS in that folder.
Edited by HighCrate on Jan 26th 2020 at 1:15:42 AM
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There's a reason I ran the example by the thread. I do think this is at least Harsher in Hindsight (since he was literally in the news for other reasons the previous day), but I'm willing to accept the judgement of this thread.
Edited by thok on Jan 26th 2020 at 1:25:55 AM
Celebrities are mortal. That doesn't make everything that any celebrity does the day before they die HIH.
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Fair enough; I've already said I'm willing to defer to the thread and step away from the discussion.
Just cut these from YMMV.King Of The Hill:
- In "Hillennium", first aired in December 1999, Hank spends the episode terrified about the Millennium Bug until he gets a vision where Tom Landry, as a whack-a-mole mole, assures him that the new millennium is nothing to fear. Just two months later, in February 2000, Landry passed away, making the scene bittersweet.Oh my God, celebrities are mortal?!?
- In "That's What She Said", Hank's new coworker Rich (Ben Stiller) makes annoyingly crass and inappropriate remarks and plays practical jokes at work and Hank's coworkers jump on the bandwagon, Hank finally puts a stop to it by informing his boss about Rich's jokes going too far and threatening to quit his job if things don't change. In 2017, thanks to the #TimesUp and #MeToo movements, there's ongoing talk about toxic workplace behavior, especially with regards to sexual harassment.It's presented as not okay in the episode, so I'm not sure what this is even getting at
- Same with the episode "Jon Vitti Presents: Return to La Grunta", where Hank is given a gift certificate for a dolphin ride by Luanne in appreciation for getting a job at the La Grunta resort, and during the dolphin ride Hank is assaulted by the dolphin and is bribed for his silence while Luanne is also sexually harassed by golfers. Today, the episode would hit a nerve due to the episode's theme of sexual harassment and toxic masculinity.Again, it's presented as not okay, and the golfer gets his comeuppance at the end
- In the episode "Racist Dawg", an electrician is attacked by the family dog Ladybird and is under the impression that Ladybird hates black people, given a recent headline about a woman being denied for a janitorial job at a local church due to the priest's bigoted dog, the episode would be jarring to watch today.And the episode ends with Hank finding out he hates repairmen, of any race, working on his stuff (something hinted at since the pilot and explored more when his truck dies) and the accusations aren't Played for Laughs, so this just taking it out of context
Unrelated, regarding 9/11 similarities, it doesn't have to involve the actual World Trade Center to be an example. Air Force One being hijacked and crashed into a random building in Escape from New York is a valid example of HIH, since it resembles the attacks, while it simply flying past the WTC is not, nor is Snake landing on the roof in a glider an example.
On that note, perhaps we should open a cleanup thread for Harsher in Hindsight, since it is a separate trope.
I just want to bring these examples before deleting them.
- Toy Story
- "Authority should derive from the consent of the governed, not by threat of force!" Three words: Egypt, Tunisia, Libya. Just a single line and no direct relation with the events.
- This or Harsher in Hindsight (Do Stinky Pete and Lotso know each other?):
Stinky Pete: How long will it last, Woody? Do you really think Andy is going to take you to college, or on his honeymoon?Stinky Pete: Children destroy toys! You'll all be ruined, forgotten! Spending eternity rotting in some landfill! This was not a funny scene to begin with.- In Sid's room, a US Army manual titled "TM 31-210: Improvised Interrogation Techniques" can be seen in the background. This makes a bit of sense, given the magnifying-glass scene with Woody, but there is an actual TM 31-210 published by the US Army that makes much more sense for Sid; it deals with creating and using improvised explosive devices. I'm not sure what this is actually about, it just seem like an easter egg.
- Wreck-It Ralph
- As mentioned in the below Hilarious in Hindsight section, a DreamWorks movie released some time after this one is about a snail who wants to be a racer. His name is Turbo. And he and his movie were inspired by Sonic the Hedgehog, who is one of the "guest star" video game characters in Wreck-It Ralph. This is just mentioning another movie with another character named Turbo, with no indication that this is harsher.
- Top Cat
- The title of the episode "The Late T.C." became this after Top Cat's voice actor, Arnold Stang, passed away in 2009. Actor simply died.
- The Powerpuff Girls
- The "When Doves Cry" reference in "City Of Frownsville" is a lot less funny now that Prince is dead as of 2016. Artist simply died.
- The Lawyer-Friendly Cameo of Popeye in "Criss Cross Crisis". That episode was co-directed by Genndy Tartakovsky, who was supposed to directed an animated movie of Popeye at Sony Pictures Animation before it was cancelled. So, the show referenced a character and an actor then almost worked on a movie about said character...seem convoluted.
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Cut away.
Also, was that Wreck-It Ralph one trying to claim the same thing was both Hilarious in Hindsight and a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment?
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On Sesame Street, the lyrics "Come and play, everything's A-OK. Friendly neighbours there, that's where we meet" is an example of the trope. I don't see how. The theme song wasn't a joke and it doesn't say how it applies beyond that it "is this". Is it because Sesame Street is in New York and September 11th happened in New York? I'm confused.
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