I could reliably headshot you with the Coaxial HMG and Zoom Optics if you were on the ship sniping. From the Dry Dock flag, that's about 330 meters using in-game distance.
Uhh which Sherman would I have in this scenario? Because if I have Firefly or Easy Eight, that Tiger is in for a world of surprising hurt.
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You know how I often link pictures of the armored abominations against nature that keep coming out of Syria and Libya?
(*Reads page, sees link to the Simms
Motor Scout*)
So that's the bike-like technical I saw in Girls und Panzer der Film! ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Also, a question for those knowledgeable about tanks: Can the Japanese Type 90 and the South Korean K1 Tank use the same kind of ammunition for their main gun, or are there minute differences between the two?
edited 23rd Sep '16 9:43:09 PM by IncognitoNinja
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It's almost certain that both can use the same ammunition — both are probably built to NATO standards, and are licence-built versions of the Rheinmetall L/44 Tank Gun.
Let's have some more from Jane's:
US-granted AFVs to soon arrive in Brazil
The shipment comprises 34 M577A2 command posts, 12 M113A2 personnel carriers, four M88A1 recovery vehicles, and two M109A5 155 mm self-propelled howitzers.
The custom clearance operation and transport to the 5th Military Region's Regional Maintenance Park in Curitiba, State of Paraná, from the Port of Paranaguá, will take 3-4 days, the army said.
The M577A2, M113A2, and M88A1s were granted by the US government as excess defense articles (EDAs) in September 2015 through implementation of a Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA).
Brazil to acquire 1,464 LMV protected vehicles
The original plan called for an initial 32 vehicles followed by another 154, two tranches of 77 each. The acquisition includes several LMV versions. Iveco's design was selected in April over Avibras and Renault Trucks Defense's Tupi.
The source said 389 LMVs will be equipped with REMAX (Reparo de Metralhadora Automatizado X) remote weapon stations from Elbit Systems' ARES, and the remaining vehicles are to receive a protected manned weapon station.
Rheinmetall to offer Challenger 2 enhancements beyond LEP
The company submitted its proposal for the LEP - an effort that is focused on replacing obsolete sub-systems, primarily in the turret - on 11 August.
Rheinmetall's C2 LEP proposal leverages experience obtained in upgrade programmes for the Leopard 2 main battle tanks (MBTs) of the Indonesian and Polish militaries.
The key capability enhancement that Rheinmetall is proposing would see the Challenger 2's 120 mm L30A1 rifled gun replaced by the company's 120 mm L55 smoothbore, which has already been trialled as part of a UK MoD technology demonstrator contract. There has been no significant ammunition development for the L30A1 in recent years.
The installation of the L55 may be more expensive in the short-term but it would enhance the capability of the Challenger 2 due to the considerable investment in ammunition development and production undertaken by Rheinmetall.
The L55 is already in service with Canada, Finland, Germany, Greece, Portugal, Qatar and Spain and when compared to the earlier 120 mm L44 smoothbore gun installed in the original Leopard 2 through to the A5 variant, provides an increase in target engagement capability of up to 1,500 m when firing armour-piercing fin-stabilised discarding sabot (APFSDS) ammunition.
In addition to firing the latest Rheinmetall DM63A1 APFSDS natures of ammunition, and future developments with enhanced penetration characteristics, the L55 can also fire the latest 120 mm DM11 programmable air burst ammunition, which has significant utility in urban operations.
Other potential Challenger 2 enhancements from Rheinmetall would include new optronics, situational awareness systems, and fire control solutions.
As well as undertaking all aspects of the C2 LEP Design Authority, the company would incorporate UK suppliers in the programme as well as providing through life support.
Speaking to IHS Jane's at the DX Korea 2016 exhibition in Goyang city, South Korea, principal research engineer at Hyundai Rotem's research and development centre Shin Yong-Cheol said the company expects a firm order from the South Korean government by October, which will call for a batch of 16 low-rate initial production vehicles to be delivered to the RoKA for field trials scheduled to last till the end of 2017. Production will commence thereafter from 2018.
According to Shin, the order of 600 vehicles will comprise 100 K806 and 500 K808 platforms. These will be outfitted with a one-person protected weapon station armed with an M2 HB machine gun. IHS Jane's understands that there are no plans by the RoKA to equip the new vehicles with remote weapon stations to reduce acquisition costs, although Shin said the company is ready to supply these systems if requested.
Both the 16-tonne K806 and 20-tonne K808 share many of the same performance characteristics. According to the latest specifications supplied by Hyundai Rotem, the vehicles are powered by a 420 hp Hyundai Motor Company diesel engine that provides a maximum road speed of 100 km/h via a seven-speed automatic transmission. They are also operated by a two-person crew with accommodation for up to nine fully equipped troops.
However, Shin explained that the concept of operations for the vehicles is quite distinct, with the K806 aimed at performing rear echelon roles such as the defence of civilian and military facilities and logistics convoy protection while the K808 will conduct high-intensity combat operations alongside the service's K1A1 and K2 main battle tanks.
edited 23rd Sep '16 11:40:10 PM by Greenmantle
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Both the Korean and Japanese 120mm guns are directly based off of the Rheinmetall 120mm family of guns to the point they are effectively the same thing. Unless there is some unique munition requirement such as a laser designator or other specialized equipment the ammo for the guns should be nearly universal. That would also include ammo for Israeli made 120mm. They may need program ballistic information to work with the firing computers on the respective tanks but other then that there should be minimal barriers to sharing munitions.
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The Type 90 has an autoloader, which would probably require modification if it were to fire some hypothetical APFSDS round that's even longer than what is currently fielded with the 120mm.
Apparently the Type 90's APFSDS ammo was designed by Daikin Industries. Those folks are more famous here for making air conditioners.
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
The Auto-loader quite likely can handle the long AP rounds used by allied nations with 120mm especially if you are talking US AP rounds. From what I can find it uses a system comparable to the Leclerc. Unless the US does something interesting with their future tank rounds even the more recent US AP round should be compatible.
What will be interesting will be to see what Rheinmetall and the French do with the planned 130mm gun.
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I'd almost wet myself laughing if the Chally 2 up-gun to 120mm Rheinmetall Smoothbore went ahead. Seeing as how it could have been done a lot cheaper than it's going to probably cost now decades ago. Keeping the 120mm rifled cannon when no-one in NATO uses the fucker, to the detriment of easy re-supply if things ever went south, (or Putin comes west) was a stupid idea then, now, and will be til it goes away.
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The insistence of keeping the rifled gun always puzzled me, there is no way that keeping HESH rounds was worth all the hassle of being the only snowflake gun in the whole NATO arsenal.
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Tam: Given the number of licensesed manufactures of the 120mm Smooth Bore the conversion is likely to be cheaper then you think. Rheinmetall hasn't be the sole manufacturer of the L/44 gun in a long time.
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Rheinmetall want to use the L55 cannon on the Challenger 2.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Even then the L/55 has been in production to supply the German army. They aren't exactly looking at a new or out of production gun.
Who watches the watchmen?
Girls Und Panzer... Der Film?
WHY WASN'T I NOTIFIED OF THIS?!
Because that's above your security clearance.
Girls Und Panzer Der Movie?
Must get. Must get. Along with the subtitled anime because no thanks dubs.
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x4: Well, the fansubs for Girls Und Panzer Der Film have been out for quite a while now...
@Greenmantle, Tuefel: Thanks. I wanted to ask that same question over at the MaxDefense blog after reading that article, but sadly, the comments don't accept Gravatar-only profiles... (I would also ask the same thing at their Facebook page, but I probably can't make an account since they don't allow pseudonyms. And I hate Facebook's hover pop-ups that block what I read, blyat!)
Personally, the Type 90 and the K1 would be the best choices if the Philippine Army brass finally get their act together and get themselves some modern armor for the RAFPMPNote Horizon 2 Phase. Mainly because:
1. They're sourced from nearby countries.
- South Korea already delivered two F/A-50 light fighters to the PH Air Force and got the contract to build two modern frigates for the PH Navy (after the Indian offer failed the Post-Qualification stage), so it's only natural that South Korea would be interested in offering additional arms deals later on.
- Meanwhile, Japan has recently loosened its restrictions on arms exports, and since they're retiring the Type 90 in favor of the newer Type 10, the Type 90s could be offered as excess defense articles (if they won't be put into reserve first).
Unless shooting resumes on the Korean Peninsula, or Duterte somehow f**ks up the armed forces' modernization program (or the country's good diplomatic relations with Japan), or China downright decides to follow in the footsteps of Imperial Japan, the PA getting the Type 90 and/or K1 for their troops would be the best thing to happen.
But for now, I'm glad to see those M113s with Elbit remote turrets:
Some Stuff About Turkish Tanks In Recent Events.
It doesn't appear to be going as well as you'd think.
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Turns out counterinsurgency with armor is hard. The Turks are only the hundredth or so group to learn this.
Charlie Stross's cheerful, optimistic predictions for 2017, part one of three.
You need combined arms troops, lots of them, and proper doctrine to use them all effectively if you want to do the job the Turks are trying to do. And I'm not surprised they're fucking things up this royally as they've never in recent history impressed me as a competent army. Kemal Attaturk is spinning in his grave right now about how badly Erdogan is screwing things up. Because he was a competent despot and Erdogan's nowt but a parvenu.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Doesn't help that they are using tanks that are seriously dated by this point. Even with upgrade kits they are not exactly robust against weapons that have a record for doing some notable damage to modern MBT's. Gen 2 RPG-7 HEAT Shells easily outclass the armor protection on either tanks most up to date variants. Never mind any tandem head munitions fired against them like the ATGM's.
Who watches the watchmen?
Didn't they lose a number of their more experienced personnel due to a coup and/or purge a month or so back?
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Yeah the Coups claimed some folks as well. However these losses have been happening since before the failed coups attempt.
Who watches the watchmen?
A coup that's looking more and more like Erdogan ran a similar scam to what Mao did in his Hundred Flowers campaign, which led directly to the purges in '57. In other words he set the whole thing up to flush out "disloyal" members of the general staff who, like, actually give a fuck about that whole "keep that religion shit out of how Turkey gets ruled, y'all" which is in the constitution of that country. Unless I've been reading the wrong stuff about that particular place for like the last thirty years or so.
Fun times.
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