Follow TV Tropes

Following

Does Frothy Mugs of Water apply to Non-Adaptations?

Go To

SamCurt Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Jul 13th 2014 at 11:53:53 PM

I originally asked in Lost And Found for the application Frothy Mugs of Water and No Smoking over a specific example what involves shoddy alcohol/tobacco censorship in the original work, which I will list at the end of this post. Turns out the people there cannot agree on the issue, so I want to bring it here. The questions are:

  1. Does Frothy Mugs of Water and No Smoking currently apply to shoddy alcohol/tobacco censorship in the original work?
  2. If (1) is in the negative, then should their definitions be expanded to such examples?
  3. If (1) and (2) are in the negative, then should the example listed below considered as an example for those tropes anyway due to Tropes Are Flexible?

Example in issue:
In Chapter 2 of Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun, a mangaka conversed to his assistant that since they draw for a sub-18 demographic (Shōjo Demographic), they cannot show tobacco or alcohol use. Should drinking and smoking among Japanese Delinquents considered necessary in context, on-frame notes should be provided to clarify they're chocolate or juice. The assistant found such censorship overly shoddy.

Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Jul 14th 2014 at 1:16:23 AM

Whether a work is an adaptation has nothing to do with censorship (original works and adaptations can both be censored or un-censored), so no, that status of the work doesn't affect the trope.

Anyhow, that example looks like Frothy Mugs of Water being played with.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Jul 14th 2014 at 1:34:43 AM

There is a lot of examples where a character censors themselves when telling a story, such as How I Met Your Mother and the use of sandwiches as a stand-in for weed ("The dean is coming! Put out your sandwich!" followed by hiding the sandwich and spraying the room with air freshener).

So short answer, no, as it can be about changes in a story as it is being told In-Universe and not specifically about adaptations made in Real Life.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#4: Jul 14th 2014 at 5:57:40 AM

The examples being mentioned are ones that do not involve in-universe self-censorship. The story is written with the censorship inherent in the original work, not a change imposed by anyone, and the definition specifies adaptations.

In-universe self-censorship is still an adaptation of "real" events, not an original work.


I'm looking at the Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs example, specifically, which should be Parental Bonus instead.

edited 14th Jul '14 6:00:16 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
SamCurt Since: Jan, 2001
#5: Jul 14th 2014 at 4:17:28 PM

So we have three examples now, which I distinguish below:

The first example must fit crazysamaritan's definition of in-universe adaptation censorship. In the second example, censorship was done in-universe, but towards an original in-universe work. The third example is a censorship done in Real Life in an original work.

Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
Add Post

Total posts: 5
Top