The Loud House

Yeah, I see your point. Reading it over again, it definitely feels like we're supposed to be in Lincoln's corner the whole way through.

(Speaking of Ronniecoln, have you checked out my TLH/SU crossover fic? It's my first Ronnie Anne-centric fic, and I'm curious if you approve of the way I've been writing her so far.)

Also, in response to Worldturtle's question, I'd say Cereal Offender is the strongest example of Lincoln getting screwed over undeservedly. He only got kicked out of the supermarket because all of his sisters were acting like four-year-olds, and he still got the blame for it. (But at least they made it up to him in the end.)

The biggest Ron the Death Eater example is in Jump Jump's comic "I love my brother", where Luan is manipulative, psychotic, murderous and incestous.

Yeah. I'm digging it. She's not as...physical in her interactions with Lincoln as she usually is; no noogies, no hitting, etc. In its void, you've seemed to have upped up the snark factor, which isn't a bad replacement. Overall, she's in character, even though I think it's a slightly more mature take on her, which makes sense since she's older and in middle school now and you don't care for how Ronnie Anne hits Lincoln when she's mad.

And I was also considering "Cereal Offender" but didn't because of how his sisters realized that they messed up and got him his cereal.

edited 25th Apr '17 1:27:43 PM by Second_Banana

In the episode "Linc or Swim" the sisters were causing troubles that caused them banned from community pools. Lincoln did nothing wrong but was kicked out with them. The sisters didn't realised nor learned they shall bahave themselves.

Glad to hear you're enjoying it so far! That means a lot coming from you.

And yeah, Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male has always been a pet peeve trope of mine, and it's the only (canon) aspect of Ronnie and Lincoln's relationship that I dislike, so I try to avert it when I can.

edited 25th Apr '17 1:53:46 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

I feel you. Thing is, I actually try to embrace that aspect without trying to go overboard with it. I mean, it is implied in canon that Ronnie Anne will hurt Lincoln if she gets really mad and I try as hard as I can to make sure that if that aspect gets featured, it's Played for Laughs. Still, I can't blame you for being turned off from that, especially if it's played straight.

I asked about when Lincoln is treated unfairly by his sisters or plot or when the girls screw up and get away with it because if you're going to criticize something be sure to criticize it for the right reasons. Also be fair Lincoln has flaws and made mistakes as well.

I want to give a proper opinion on this after I finish watching all of season 1, but several of Lincoln's misdemeanors seem to be the result of peer pressure and him wanting to be accepted ("Green House", "Hand-Me-Downers", "The Waiting Game"). In others like "Making the Case" I Just Want to Be Special seem to be another motive. He also suffers from Middle Child Syndrome. There are times he can get understandably frustrated with his sisters like in "Linc or Swim" where he wanted his one-person pool to himself (by this point he was mad at how his sisters kept getting them kicked out of all the city swim pools).

This does not excuse his actions merely explains them.

As for his sisters I can't help but feel they tend to suffer from Mob Mentality and go wild when their parents aren't around. ("Its a Loud, Loud, Loud, Loud House" (Greed will turn anyone into a jerk), "No Guts, No Glori", Cereal Offender).

I feel it'd be better if writers constructively addressed these issues together rather then favor one side over the other.

edited 26th Apr '17 12:02:11 PM by WorldTurtle2

In "April Fools Rules" Luan manipulated Lincoln to make him fall in all her traps and never received a proper punishment for turning Loud House into Trap House. She is a karma houdini in the end of the episode.

In "Get the message" Lori constantly yells at Lincoln for petty reasons and shows no regret or remorse. Whole episode she's shown as a choleric jerk. In "Save the Date" Lori overreacted savage like a psychotic woman child.

In "Space Invader" Lynn ungratefully beats him for letting her sleep in his room. In "No Such Luck" Lynn learns nothing about not blaming others for own failures.

All Loud siblings in "It's a Loud, Loud, Loud, Loud, House" were brutal, agressive and greedy, they learned in a hard way how to cooperate but nobody apologized or showed any remorse. In "Study Muffin" all sisters bothered Lincoln's tutor and didn't care about him flunking the class. Lori was the worst here as she almost cheated Bobby and nothing happened to her. In "Back in Black" they destroyed his homework even if there were other methods with no sacrifaces.

See, I really don't have an issue with the sisters or anyone else "getting away" with bad behavior when their actions aren't depicted as the crux of an episode's drama. For instance, if Luna got away with acting like a selfish glory seeker in "House Music", that would've been a HUGE problem because of how much the episode focused on her and her selfish motives and hurtful actions. The same applies to "Cereal Offender"; had the sisters not done anything to make up for what they did to Lincoln, again, I would've had problems there, too.

But for short little gags like Lori and Lola kicking Lincoln out of the van in "Making the Grade" or the sisters constantly breaking Lincoln's project in "Back in Black"? I don't care if they got away with that or that they didn't learn anything/apologize because I see them for what they are; gags that are written as such and in the grand scheme of things, not really hurtful to the "victims" involved. Lincoln gets kicked out of the van? In the next scene, everything's peachy with him and there are no lingering side effects to the "trauma". Lincoln's project gets broken? He's shown having fixed it up. While it wouldn't be wrong for them to apologize for those things, I think that it'd ultimately be a superfluous endeavor. There are some exceptions, however, and the biggest one I can recall is Lori fawning over Hugh and flirting with him when she already has a boyfriend. That's just...not okay. That's why I'm happy that Mr Tye Dye made a fic addressing that issue.

On your last point, I'd also like to not think about their being "sides" i.e. Lincoln vs. his sisters. It's a needless division, quite frankly, because it creates a dichotomy that inspires pointless scrutiny that makes certain fans go, "Aha! Look at what Lincoln can't do and look at what his sisters can do! It's not fair!" It paints Lincoln as a The Woobie that can't do anything without his family antagonizing him at every turn.

Ultimately, I think the reason why Lincoln's not as "favored" is because he's the main character and thus, will almost always have the main focus. Anyone on the show that's gotten that sort of attention will almost always have to learn their lesson at the end if they're in the wrong.

edited 26th Apr '17 5:20:21 PM by Second_Banana

If the sisters didn't ruin Lincoln's science project, he wouldn't have to fix this in the first place, they just gave him additional work to do. For them end justifies the means.

Not being able to do what his sisters do make Lincoln look like he's not really one of them, just a needless addition. I find Lincoln as "always the worst sibling" just like Loki in "Thor" or Scar in "Lion King" or Hans in "Frozen" or Ocean Master in "Aquaman", not being born first is a simple bad luck. Only older sibling that was not favored by parents I know is Zuko from "Avatar". This gap in abilities and differences distance Lincoln from his sisters. It begins to remind be Cain and Abel. All because he just wants to be special like them, he has inferiority complex as he's overshadowed by their awesomeness. He's worse than always second best, he's always the last best in his family. This is so sad to be master of none like he was his parents' greatest failure.

Because Lincoln is always shown as the dumbest, I think message of the show is "women are wiser". The sisters prove him wrong whole time. Examples Heavy Meddle (they were right about Ronnie Anne), No Guts No Glori (Lori was right Linc is an incompetent baby sitter), Hand-me-downer (he couldn't figure out himself what he can do with what he got from older sisters and they did it themselves), Chore and Peace (he was the only complainer and started trash havoc), Brawl in the Family (they told him to not involve and he did it making argument more brutal and it's a miracle he was the only family member not informed about the sister protocol). Lola outsmarted Lincoln in "Sound of Silence" and Luan in "April Fools Rules"

edited 26th Apr '17 11:07:42 PM by FirstDrellSpectre

Two words.

Charlie. Brown.

That is who Lincoln is. That is the reason why he fails a lot in the series. And frankly, that is the reason I like him as a character.

It's also the same reason why Venture Bros is such a great show (besides all the references to 60s cartoons and comic books).

I see this often with slapstick cartoon shows. People identify with the character too much, nerves get pushed, Dude, Not Funny! reigns supreme and we get Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater treatments being handed out.

They forget its a cartoon and need to stop taking it so seriously. Like I said before though, "There were issues people had with those episodes. And they have the right to try and work those issues out in their stories. However, they shouldn't forget the good moments the show has given us too." You want to write a Fix Fic, Deconstruction (or Decon-Recon Switch), or Reality Ensues story. You have the right to do that, but don't forget it is a cartoon either. Otherwise what starts off as an interesting 'what if' story will quickly go off the rails.

edited 27th Apr '17 12:55:24 AM by WorldTurtle2

Bad events overshadow good events in the show. Even pure good characters are remebered if the commit a questionable or evil act. In TMNT 2003 Leonardo had his flaws but was popular until he wounded his sensei.

Because of "No Such Luck" I always wonder if something bad happens to Lincoln in all episodes after this. I predicted than in "Cheater by the Dozen" Lincoln is wrong about Bobby and his sisters will be mad at him. I wrongly guessed that in "Lock N Loud" whole family will be mad at Lincoln for waking them up because of a false alarm, then I was glad to be wrong. Now I guess in "Future Tense" Lincoln will imagine his future self, he's still living in shadows of 10 sisters and unlike them he's an unsuccessful slacker.

I did write some fixfics and deconstructions on TLH wikia. "Talisman Brother" as sequel to "No such Luck" and "April Two Rules" to "April Fools Rules". A deconstruction of inferiority complex is in my fanfic "Melancholinc".

In Season 2 lot of new characters appear like Dana or Becky. I'd rather the all already introduced characters to be developed, instead of getting loads and loads of shallow or flat characters.

edited 27th Apr '17 1:12:21 AM by FirstDrellSpectre

I've brought this up in one of my fics, but Lincoln does actually have a unique skill in the family: problem solving. He's really good at coming up with creative solutions to his problems whenever he's in a bind.

It's not a skill you can win trophies for (hence his angst in "Making the Case"), but it's a skill nonetheless.

edited 27th Apr '17 4:51:17 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

Tye Dye Wildebeest, I'd like to read the fic you mentioned. Please give me a link.

Lincoln as a peace maker was incompetent up to 11 in the episode "Brawl in the Family". Upcoming episode "Room with Feud" seems to be a recycled scenario, I fear it will be very similar to the episode "Brawl in the Family" but at same time I do hope it will be better.

Lincoln could try to get trophy if he participated in chess tournament, video game tournament or cooking contest. I think of chess, because in the episode "Changing the Baby" he played chess and taught his baby sister how to play. I think of cooking because he showed he can cook in episodes "Project Loud House" and "Roughin It".

The fic is called Fight the Fat. I think I've linked it here before.

As for Brawl in the Family, that was part of the reason I hated that episode. There was no reason for Lincoln to be that stupid, considering the intelligence and competence he'd demonstrated before.

edited 27th Apr '17 5:07:58 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

Thanks for the link, Tye Dye Wildebeest.

I on other hand wrote sequel to "No Such Luck" and named it "Talisman Brother". I wrote it because I was frustrated by parental abuse and Lynn who learned nothing at all. If you wish, I can give you a link.

This is how I react on episodes that I don't like. I write fix fics.

For those of you that enjoy your Loud Family Drama here is a new story Avoiding Estrangement.

Summary: Lori hurt Lincoln. She didn't mean to do it, but she was angry and not thinking at the time. Now she's in trouble with her parents and her siblings aren't happy with her either. Rated T for language and some minor violence.

I already gave my thoughts on it. It's...a'ight. It's a little too paint-by-numbers and based on the summary, I presume that Lori's supposed to be somewhat sympathetic because her anger got the best of her but the way she lashes out is way too calculated and methodical for me to feel anything but scorn towards her actions. I also didn't like how we didn't get a full scope of Lori's feelings about what she did.

Other than that, the grammar's pretty neat and I'm intrigued enough to see where things go from the first chapter.

I wrote 2 drama fanfics, the first one is T-rated

Responsibility Issues - Lincoln and Luna are lost in a distant unfriendly town with no cash and try to return home. http://theloudhouse.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:FirstDrellSpectre/Fanfiction_-_Responsibility_Issues

Melancholinc - Lincoln feels so overshadowed by sisters he begins to wonder if his life makes sense. He fells in depression and becomes an emo. http://theloudhouse.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:FirstDrellSpectre/Fanfiction_-_Melancholinc

This is one of the best LH fanfictions I've ever read.

Big Top Lincoln - When Lincoln has finally had enough of the chaos of his sisters, he decides to run away. While he is gone he is taken in by a circus, and is happy being with them.

http://theloudhouse.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TMNT1987Dude/Fanfiction_-_Big_Top_Lincoln

Happy one year anniversary, Loud House!!!

Happy 1 Year Anniversary!

I hope the show will give origin stories of other sisters like Luna in "For Bros About to Rock", character development for Lincoln and the sisters, less Aesop Amnesia, more interesting plots and development of already introduced minor characters before introducing new characters.

Not sure if [1]◊ is real or not but if it's authentic, here's a sneak peek at what Ronnie Anne's extended family will look like in "Realtive Chaos".

It doesn't look like her father will be appearing because none of those people look like they could be him.

edited 3rd May '17 2:35:13 PM by Second_Banana

I assumed that Ronnie Anne has a Disappeared Dad, which is why Bobby has to work so much.