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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#326: Sep 17th 2014 at 1:08:05 AM

So how is life for the typical Japanese citizen nowadays, considering the whole economy downturn there and all that?

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#327: Sep 21st 2014 at 2:16:47 AM

I'm interested in an answer to that question, too.

On another note, does anyone recognize the outfit worn by Rei Ayanami here, from one of the Multiple Endings of the Neon Genesis Evangelion spin-off game Ayanami Raising Project? I have the vague impression that it's supposed to be something commonly worn by some Japanese "modern-day rebellious youth" type or the other, especially given the chain that she's wielding.

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#328: Sep 21st 2014 at 3:27:42 AM

That stuff reminds of the Bosozokus still roaming around this time of the century.

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#329: Sep 21st 2014 at 3:39:30 AM

[up]Where do I find a white longcoat like that? I've been looking for those forever!

Also, about noisy motorcycle raging gangs:

edited 21st Sep '14 3:40:05 AM by TheHandle

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#330: Sep 21st 2014 at 8:26:45 AM

Sadly, bosozoku + white clothes or white (long) coat isn't turning up any similar results. The closest ones are this (which claims that the white coats are military-style; how is Rei's coat "military"-style?) and this.

edited 21st Sep '14 8:29:59 AM by MarqFJA

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#331: Sep 21st 2014 at 3:40:47 PM

It's a long gakuran. According to the link, they're derived the French military uniforms.

They come in a variety of lengths as well, but longer ones do happen. here and here

And here are some bosozoku specific versions. (Found by searching "bosozoku" and "gakuran")

edited 21st Sep '14 3:41:42 PM by KnightofLsama

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#332: Sep 29th 2014 at 12:13:06 PM

Can anyone tell me more about the whole 'Don't interfere with someone's elses problem' that the Japanese have? How much of it is cultural and how much of it is legitmate?

It doesn't really even need to be lampshaded. It's one of those things that gets lost in the cultural divide between Japan and America, and it shows up in tons of their fictional works. To the Japanese, the idea of "sticking your nose in other people's business" to put it colloquially, especially if you really don't know or aren't connected to those people at all, even if done with the best of intentions, is looked upon as one of a great many respect/manners-breaking faux-pas. Senjougahara accuses Araragi of this when they first meet, and several times afterwards. One of the things she implies often is that its a NEGATIVE quirk of Araragi's that she happens to find charming despite that fact. To put it laconically, the Japanese don't think it's necesarily a good trait, as Americans tend to, to run around wanting to save everyone and doing good deeds against people's wishes for your involvement, ESPECIALLY since this involves things like personal honor, debts being accrued between saviors/victims, and possibly sacrifice on the party of the "defender". This 'concerning yourself with everyone's problems' is not taken to be a good personal trait. Other really good examples of this in anime are xxxHolic's Watanuki Kimihiro (who Araragi seems very likely to be an Expy of and who gets accused of much the same thing constantly by his occult mentor) or Fate/Stay Night's Emiya Shirou.

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#333: Sep 29th 2014 at 12:32:49 PM

Superman is so impolite!

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#334: Sep 29th 2014 at 12:35:41 PM

Yeah. The Japanese consider it extremely rude to trouble someone else with personal problems.

On top of that, there's the problem of "totomae" (aka "Face"), which is basically like Social Currency or reputation. They do everything possible to "save Face" for others (overtly, at least—it's not unheard of to try to sabotage them).

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#335: Sep 29th 2014 at 2:54:44 PM

So Superman would catch Lois Lane, then very quickly place her on the ground in a Three-Point Landing pose so everyone thinks she did it on her own.

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#336: Sep 29th 2014 at 3:36:06 PM

Yeah. The Japanese consider it extremely rude to trouble someone else with personal problems.
The issue here is the inverse of this — that is, when said someone else "troubles" himself with solving your personal problems for no ulterior reason.

edited 29th Sep '14 3:36:17 PM by MarqFJA

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#337: Sep 29th 2014 at 4:29:23 PM

That's kind of confusing, because I can think of several anime, mostly ones aimed at kids, that have a protagonist who goes out of his/her way to help people and so far as I can tell, that is treated as a good thing in those stories. The two main examples I can think of are Pokemon and Pretty Cure. Ash Ketchum (or Satoshi, as he is known in Japan) often is shown helping random strangers with stuff in many of the "filler" episodes, and I don't remember the story treating it like he's doing something bad for helping people. Also, several Pretty Cure lead characters are often shown being very helpful to random strangers in their civilian forms, particularly Love, Mana and Megumi. I know that Mana is sometimes scolded for it by Rikka, but that's usually in the context of Rikka worrying that Mana is overextending herself rather than "you'll embarrass people if you help them!"

Also, Japanese fiction has superheroes too, like the Sentai and Magical Girl genres, so it's not like they don't have their own stories about heroes who habitually rescue and help people who are otherwise strangers. Is the difference between them and characters like Superman that they're usually shown fighting supernatural monsters that normal humans wouldn't be expected to fight on their own, whereas Superman fights against ordinary criminals sometimes? So far as I know about him, which isn't that much because I'm not that familiar with most American comic book heroes. I guess another difference would be that Japanese heroes are more likely to have an authority figure who gives the heroes the job of fighting evil, whereas American superheroes are more likely to have decided to get into crimefighting on their own (although there are probably several exceptions to both of those generalizations).

edited 29th Sep '14 4:38:01 PM by Rainbow

KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#338: Sep 29th 2014 at 5:20:47 PM

Same difference. You're dishonoring them by presuming they can't handle their own problems, and their problems caused you to go out of your way to butt in. Basically, you're in the wrong for barging into their lives, and they're wrong for making their problems visible to an outsider.

Also, Japanese fictional heroes tend to be an idealized version of a compassionate person. While it's not uncommon to see a Japanese hero to helps others, it's also not uncommon for the people they help apologize for causing them trouble, or swear Undying Loyalty to their savior for doing what any decent person should do. That's because of the values I mentioned, alongside others like Giri and Ninjo.

edited 29th Sep '14 5:24:00 PM by KingZeal

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#339: Sep 29th 2014 at 6:10:21 PM

The key in such shows is that they often are friends with these people at first. It's always a "new friend" that the Pretty Cure help out, another classmate or local figure that hasn't been mentioned before and often isn't mentioned again (Heartcatch has been doing a good job of conserving detail so far, though). One Piece is much the same: Luffy's heroics come because he makes friends with practically anyone very quickly: "This dog's my friend now!" "Buggy's henchman abused it." -> "Well i'll kick Buggy's ass!"

KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#340: Sep 29th 2014 at 6:38:50 PM

Oh wow. You're right. I never noticed that before.

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#341: Sep 29th 2014 at 6:57:54 PM

And then there's the likes of Kisaragi Gentarou who has made it a goal in life to make one thousand new friends while being in High School... and he's very good at that.

Spoilers for Kamen Rider Fourze.

But, come to think of it, doesn't embarrassment come into play when Superman saves people or gets into their problems in comic books?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#342: Sep 29th 2014 at 7:05:15 PM

In the comics I've read generally, "I got saved by Superman!" isn't something embarrassing, it's the ultimate bragging right.

edited 29th Sep '14 7:05:36 PM by Parable

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#343: Sep 29th 2014 at 7:16:04 PM

@Ogodei: That's true, too, about the Cures who are extremely helpful like that being the type to consider the people they help as being their friends, particularly the ones I mentioned (Mana especially). Good point, and that seems to apply to Ash as well, being the kind of person who would consider the average innocent stranger to be "a friend I haven't met yet."

Is there an in-group vs. out-group distinction in this as well? As in, someone stepping in to help a member of their in-group would be seen differently than someone stepping in to help a member of the out-group?

edited 29th Sep '14 7:20:27 PM by Rainbow

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#345: Sep 30th 2014 at 11:00:02 PM

@King Zeal

That actually makes as some authors kind of have it out with some of those Superman types.that is not to say that we don't have thosekind of auhtors here, it is just that the Japnese are less tolerant of this kind of thing.

[up] How is Doraemon an attack on China? What game are they trying to pull with this? Do they think that the show has some hidden political agenda to subvert China and the world?

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#346: Oct 1st 2014 at 3:08:07 AM

[up]They always think the Japanese have a covert agenda to subvert China. After all, China would do the same if their positions were reversed.

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#348: Oct 1st 2014 at 6:49:47 AM

Always Lawful Evil?

Nope, it's called propaganda. The best way to secure the public's allegiance is to give them an external enemy to band together against; it's the oldest trick in the book.

edited 1st Oct '14 6:50:05 AM by amitakartok

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murazrai Since: Jan, 2010
#350: Oct 9th 2014 at 7:34:30 AM

I wondered why some events like Music Media-mix Market do not bother with English language version of its website (or at least a page for visitor's information) despite the organization committee acknowledging that there are significant presence of foreign attendants.

What's making this weird is that after I managed to get a Japanese staff from Japanese National Tourism Organization in a local travel fair to send inquiries about whether foreigners are allowed to attend the event, the reply is entirely in English and it says something in the lines of a lot of foreigners has attended our event in the past. Perhaps it is not super-popular with foreigners like Comiket?


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