Cinema Sins

This film grossed $1.025 billion. Really.

Makes sense, I suppose.

Well, it's not Maleficent bad, so I'm not flabbergasted by it or something.

edited 17th May '16 1:40:36 PM by VeryMelon

The transformers movie keep making a fortune. I've learned to stop asking.

At least Transformers have many large scaled actions, as messily edited as they are.

As messily edited, misogynistic, and more driven by action scenes than plot, you mean.

Here's what I think a lot of Hollywood execs aren't getting about Johnny Depp: Jack Sparrow was funny because he was a bizarre, eccentric, impossible personality in a situation completely ill-suited to it. He was a hilarious contradiction of his setting; a deranged madman in an otherwise fairly well-grounded supernatural thriller whose balls-out madness made him unpredictable.

He was funny and awesome because you don't expect a man in his position to behave like this and he constantly succeeds in his ventures because of it. He's the Lethal Joke Character of his franchise.

Casting him as zany, ridiculous characters like Willy Wonka or the Mad Hatter miss the point of his humor: the contradiction between character and setting. You expect these guys to be zany and ridiculous. They live in a zany, ridiculous world. There's nothing to bounce them off of.

I agree with that assessment. I'm reminded of one reviewer saying that for the Hatter, Depp was really just playing Jack Sparrow again.

I feel like some of the sins had the same issue as the Roger Rabbit video, in that Jeremy's refusal to accept the MST3K Mantra for a couple seconds kind of kills the humor of some of his jokes. It's freaking Alice in Wonderland, so questioning how the physics work (like the flamingo mallet) is kind of pointless. He should have stuck exclusively to sins about the BS Burton introduced (like the end segment that he gave 100 sins for) or stuff that didn't make sense outside of Wonderland.

edited 17th May '16 5:09:42 PM by Karxrida

Agreed totally.

I'd add that, in the first movie (The good one), Jack's insanity isn't the be all end all of his character. He's remarkably on the ball (Immediately figuring out why Will trains a sword fighting so much, successfully evading capture once if weren't for the drunk waking up, finding a (physically impossible way) to get to one ship so he can steal the other. Pointing out that the rumors of the black pearl make no sense (if it leaves no witnesses, who tells the stories?)) And not in a "He's so cookie it all makes sense to him" way either. His madness acts as both Obfuscating Stupidity and as a cover for his own shifting agenda. It gives the character depth. Hatter and Wonka don't really have that going for them. They are weird and do weird things and are in a weird place that mirrors their weirdness.

edited 17th May '16 7:49:01 PM by Ghilz

The only time Depp ever felt like he was just playing Jack Sparrow, for me at least, was in the Lone Ranger. Wonka and Hatter both felt perfectly fine in their settings.

I wouldn't say Depp was just playing Jack Sparrow again with the Hatter. In fact, I remember being weirded out by just how... restrained he was in the role. That's one of the problems with the movie, really: Most of the characters are too rational. Something that Disney's original movie captured great about the books is just how much the denizens of Wonderland come off as being in a totally different state of mind — like if you look at the Mad Tea Party, Alice fundamentally cannot reason with or relate to the Hatter and the March Hare. In the Burton movie, the Hatter doesn't come off as mad so much as he comes off as a stage actor with mild PTSD — his, and everyone else's, motives make too much sense.

As for why this film made so much money... well, I think when it came out, Alice just seemed like a perfect fit for Tim Burton. A deranged visual marvel with lots of weirdness and little plot to speak of? Sign me up! The problem became that Burton didn't just go the easy route and make a movie with no plot, he had to introduce a shitty plot.

Yeah, the original Alice in Wonderland book was just Alice going from encounter to encounter with the general "Get out of Wonderland" plot relegated to the background while the humor and interactions took the foreground.

Maybe that 's why I never liked it.

It was the first big 3D movie released after Avatar, so people rushed to see it. That and Tim Burton was still a popular director at the time.

I just watched this movie over the weekend, so I'm rather pleased this video came up.

Well, obviously you just moved to sucky places!

-Moved 14 times before 18 and never met a cute girl next door either-

I met several cute girls next door.

Then again, I was told that I have a very generous standards...

The one time I've moved houses it was literally to my grandparents' old house down the street xD

I met multiple cute girls at new schools but never one next door.

I'm too old to "meet cute girls next door" and not have it be creepy. When I was at the proper age, I was too shy, with one notable exception.

edited 20th May '16 7:35:00 AM by Fighteer

Well, if you define a girl flexibly and put her up to early to mid 20s...

Never moved. Grew up in Maine. Never met a cute girl next door. Or a girl next door.

Man, past few Sins videos have been really boring for me. I like it when he does a video on a good movie and removes a whole bunch of sins, or bad movies causing him to bombard them with sins.

Past few movies have been just mediocre, and so was the sins vid.

Yeah, he's at his best when dealing with shit.

Or gold.

Or golden shit.

edited 20th May '16 5:45:45 PM by BaconManiac5000

My favorite sins vids (on top of my head):

• Brave
• Paper Towns
• Pixels
• Every single Fantastic Four movie
• Every Twilight series movie (yes, this include Fifty Shades of Grey)
• Jupiter Ascending
• Super Mario Bros
• After Earth

All of them are either really bad. Some of them are just bad in every way, while some are not exactly that bad but just have serious case of Idiot Plot (Brave) or pretentious (Paper Towns).