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HellKillUsAll Since: Sep, 2010
#1: Mar 19th 2014 at 5:10:22 PM

Let's talk about what makes one of the "hated" and "infamous" episodes so infamous.

  • What makes MLP's "Ponyville Confidential" so bad? Is it the pariah treatment of the CMC girls or Diamond Tiara being an ass? Plus, she's referred to as a sociopath, who only loves to see people in pain, but I don't picture her as that, just an ass, unlike Eddy's brother. And I have no idea why "Mare-Do-Well" is hated.
  • What hade "The Boys of Bummer" so bad? Most people say it was because all of Springfield overreacted, but that's happened before, so I guess it was the Unfortunate Implications of them goading a ten-year-old into suicide.
  • What made all the notorious Sponge Bob shows so bad? For "A Pal for Gary", was it SB's stupidity or being an ass to Gary. For "House Fancy" was it just (and only just) the toenail scene. And "One Coarse Meal"...

Does anybody have answers to why so many episodes are hated?

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Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#2: Mar 19th 2014 at 5:26:48 PM

I do suppose it's mainly because said episodes just weren't written very well.

Although in the case of "The Boys of Bummer," they did make it clear that this was wrong, and they at least tried to make it up to Bart at the end, so that's something in its favor.

The fact that people would call "House Fancy" a bad episode for something that lasted only 15 seconds just shows how goddamn sensitive some people are these days.

As for "One Coarse Meal," we were apparently meant to think that Plankton's suicide attempt was Mr. Krabs going too far. (This was related by the episode's writer, Casey Alexander, on his Twitter account.) Although I don't think, unlike some people, that suicide is never funny. The many jokes in old 40s WB cartoons with "Now I've seen everything" say otherwise.

edited 19th Mar '14 5:27:41 PM by Aldo930

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Psi001 Since: Oct, 2010
#3: Mar 19th 2014 at 5:34:32 PM

Both "Ponyville Confidential" and "The Boys Of Bummer" I believe is mostly concerning little kids being shunned, bullied and disowned by the entire town for a fairly petty offense. It's worsened in PC due to the added hypocrisy around the matter (everyone was perfectly fine with their work until it concerned them) which is never really elaborated upon.

"Mare Do Well" is concerning the mane five inflicting Disproportionate Retribution on Rainbow Dash after she becomes conceited (admittedly one of the things I tend to like about the show is they usually avoid Rightly Self-Righteous outcomes where one pony is enabled to bully another into their place, in fact most of the time when one acts like that they're treated as stooping to their level, eg. Fall Weather Friends).

"One Coarse Meal" (and "Plankton's Regular" before it inevitably come up) is around the fact Mr Krabs gets off scot free for acting more vindictive than the 'villain' of the show. I thought "House Fancy" was considered hit and miss however, just as many like it because Squidward won at the end.

edited 19th Mar '14 5:37:25 PM by Psi001

HellKillUsAll Since: Sep, 2010
#4: Mar 19th 2014 at 8:16:26 PM

[up]The "hypocrisy" reminds me of Sponge Bob's "Little Yellow Book" when everyone shunned Squid for going through SB's diary when they had laughed at what he wrote beforehand (though Squid did tell Patrick that he earlier laughed at what he read to him).

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Psi001 Since: Oct, 2010
#5: Mar 19th 2014 at 8:34:18 PM

There is rarely anything more annoying than hypocrisy that isn't called out. It spawns all too many dreaded tropes here.

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#6: Mar 19th 2014 at 11:24:38 PM

No mention of Not All Dogs Go to Heaven? That's probably one of the most infamous episodes of anything ever.

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#7: Mar 19th 2014 at 11:36:11 PM

Not All Dogs is hated because it's an Author Tract of the highest calibur and it makes the author mouthpiece more hateable than the thing he's trying to mock.

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#8: Mar 21st 2014 at 12:09:41 PM

I always hated Ponyville Confidential simply because it runs on the idea that a teacher won't notice that her kids are running a sweatshop and printing very unkind things about other ponies in a school newspaper. Maybe on something like The Simpsons it would be played as a joke, but here it's totally nonsensical.

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#9: Mar 21st 2014 at 12:26:11 PM

Ponyville Confidential is hated? I like that episode. Then again, I don't think there's ever been a bad episode of that show.

BagofMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Mar 21st 2014 at 12:40:28 PM

Not All Dogs is hated because it's an Author Tract of the highest calibur and it makes the author mouthpiece more hateable than the thing he's trying to mock.
I didn't have a problem with that so much as with the fact that it makes no sense for Brian to be atheist considering the things he's witnessed, like when the Ten Plagues returned and Brian was the one to tell Peter, "God is pissed."

Also I think it had a pretty weak satire of evangelicalism, but that's Family Guy for you.

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#11: Mar 21st 2014 at 12:47:32 PM

[up] Also consider that early that season, Peter had met Jesus.

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BagofMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Mar 21st 2014 at 12:51:01 PM

Well, I mainly only know the first three or four seasons; I only watched that one episode because people here were crying "WORST EPISODE EVER" on it, and eventually I had to find out what all the fuss was about. (Pretty sure much worse things have happened on the show due to being excused as "one-off gags")

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#13: Mar 21st 2014 at 12:55:28 PM

[up] Well, still, this is a world where God has been shown to exist... Even if only in one-off gags.

On the topic's title... I'm not sure what is meant by "infamous episodes." Seemingly he means episodes everyone hates. But you could also include banned episodes like "Man's Best Friend," "Leap Frogs," "Buffalo Gals"... those are pretty infamous too.

edited 21st Mar '14 1:02:02 PM by Aldo930

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#14: Mar 21st 2014 at 1:08:39 PM

Y'know, that's a good point people make about Family Guy and its atheist characters—how the hell could that even make sense when God is explicitly shown to exist in the show's universe?

simply because it runs on the idea that a teacher won't notice that her kids are running a sweatshop and printing very unkind things about other ponies in a school newspaper. Maybe on something like The Simpsons it would be played as a joke, but here it's totally nonsensical.
I dunno, that sounds pretty funny to me.

edited 21st Mar '14 1:09:02 PM by Odd1

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#15: Mar 21st 2014 at 1:12:17 PM

A lot of this stuff seems like normal over-the-top gags to me; it's part of the joke.

Either it's done badly or these people don't get over-the-top gags.

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#16: Mar 21st 2014 at 4:34:14 PM

Brain gets called out on his atheism in the 3rd Christmas episode, where he calls the nativity story fictional and Stewie snaps back saying that Jesus lived with them before.

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#17: Mar 21st 2014 at 4:37:26 PM

For a second I thought this topic would be about cartoon episodes that were banned from airing.

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#18: Mar 21st 2014 at 4:52:17 PM

[up]Does that really happen much anymore? I know there was one episode of Batman The Brave And The Bold that never aired in the U.S. because the internet grabbed a hold of some dick jokes from it, but is that really common?

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#19: Mar 21st 2014 at 6:18:57 PM

[up] It doesn't happen as often as you'd think. I can think of maybe 5 examples from Nick and Cartoon Network alone.

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#20: Mar 21st 2014 at 6:56:36 PM

[up]Penguins of Madagascar got away with a blowjob joke and no one seemed to notice:

Julien: I do not intend to fail. I intend to do the opposite of fail!

Marlene: You mean...succeed?

Julien: No, I will not suck seed. No one will be sucking seed!

edited 21st Mar '14 6:56:57 PM by Twentington

BagofMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#21: Mar 21st 2014 at 11:27:27 PM

Y'know, that's a good point people make about Family Guy and its atheist characters—how the hell could that even make sense when God is explicitly shown to exist in the show's universe?
They must have come to the conclusion that it's all an elaborate hoax being played on them!

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#22: Mar 22nd 2014 at 5:29:32 AM

Going through the entire plagues of Egypt in your house would turn even the hardest atheist into a believer.

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Psi001 Since: Oct, 2010
#23: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:20:24 AM

It's heavily implied half the crap Brian goes on a pedestal about are less earnest beliefs and just a desperate ploy for attention and dignity. He'd probably be a die hard Christian if they were the minority.

edited 22nd Mar '14 6:21:00 AM by Psi001

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#24: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:54:15 AM

Good point.

A more cynical person might see that as the writers trying to make up for their massive fuckup.

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ued199 Emperor of Acheron from Philippines Since: Oct, 2009
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#25: Mar 22nd 2014 at 7:29:47 AM

The most infamous episodes of The Fairly OddParents! are "Its a Wishful Life", and "Just the Two of Us". The former is when Timmy wished he was never born and everyones life was better without him, but continuity and common sense can point out that all of is not true. The latter has Timmy's crush going to full Yandere mode when there aren't any boys left to gawk at her.

edited 22nd Mar '14 7:30:08 AM by ued199

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