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Overexposing a great villain is a surefire way to run the villain into the ground and turn half the fanbase on them.

-stares at Loki-

Better a great villain with a short run than a once-great villain derailed by popping up where he isn't needed.

It helps that Kingpin is one of Marvel's best villains for being present and influential without necessarily being the Big Bad.

I still think the idea that Loki shouldn't keep appearing in the Thor series comes mostly from people who don't know either character all that much.

edited 24th Apr '15 7:18:04 PM by KnownUnknown

I'd like seeing his influence being felt on other shows, but maybe not him necessairly. It'd amuse me a great deal if in Luke Cage we saw a counterpart of the Hell's Kitchen crime council in Luke Cage's turf, and one of its members is a emissary of Fisk trying to enforce his interests.

Comics!Loki (wildly varying characterizations aside) is a very recurring villain, but he has a purpose and a fit as the main villain. He has a role to fulfill and a solid characterization. What bugs people about MCU Loki is how utterly ham-fisted he seems to be shoved into everything and has a very schizophrenic characterization.

edited 24th Apr '15 7:21:33 PM by Gaon

MCU Loki was in three movies: Thor, The Avengers and Thor: The Dark World. He has had a purpose in all three.

Yes, in The Dark World said purpose being stealing screentime from other things that desperately needed it, including the protagonist, plus what with Marvel announcing he'll be present in Infinity War and Lord knows what else.

The usual opinion is that Loki was a great character in Thor, a great villain The Avengers, but The Dark World had him overstay his welcome plot and characterization-wise and the later announcement that Loki would be in several future movies only threw more fuel into the fire.

There has been no announcement he will be in Infinity War. He's going to be in Thor: Ragnarok, but that's it.

Are you absolutely certain?

Huh. Well, it makes sense for him to be in it anyway - Asgard currently has one of the Infinity Stones, so Thanos was definitely target them.

Honestly, Thor the Dark World is the result of a mediocre script which was then elevated by another writer. The scenes with Loki are the only thing which rescue the movie for me, because everything else is contrived and awkward. And I really look forward to seeing Loki again and again and again, as long as the actor is ready to play him. And when he isn't any longer, I hope that they de-age Loki so that they can keep the character around.

I think what really bugs people about Loki is hype-backlash.

edited 24th Apr '15 11:25:46 PM by Swanpride

I think Thor: The Dark World suffered from what a lot of other Marvel movies suffered from: lack of a good villain. Malekith had a good actor, but they just didn't give him anything to do. The only really good villain the movies have had (so far) has been Loki, who has had great lines and moments of scenery chewing in every movie he's been in.

I do, however, think that they need to bring in Kid Loki. Because Kid Loki is awesome.

For some reason, Marvel keeps insisting on toning down the villains, cutting out characterization and like. Along with Malekith, it also happened to Whiplash and Ultron.

No spoilers please! I watch the movie in a few hours, but a lot of others don't, so please, just keep the discussion about Age of Ultron in the MCU threat. They might not want to know everyone else's opinion before they could have formed their own.

More generally speaking: I think that it is wrong to expect a bunch of Loki's in the MCU. There are only two things you need for a good villain: He has to come off as menacing and you must understand his plan. Red Skull and Ronan are for example perfectly serviceable villains. There is nothing wrong with them (I actually enjoyed Ronan quite a bit).

Which brings me to Fisk. I am not as enamoured with him than apparently everyone else. Yeah, he has tons of layers, but I am not sure if he really comes off as menacing (I found his henchman more terrifying than him) and I certainly don't get the plan. For all the meets the criminals had, the end-goal in this whole matter was very vague.

edited 25th Apr '15 5:31:38 AM by Swanpride

Loki being in Infinty War absolutely makes sense because he still has a stake in the Thanos plot. Sure, they could tell the story without him even though he's a loose end, but narratively there's isn't a very good reason to because, yeah. He's a loose end.

Loki being in Dark World also makes sense because the Thor movies are the continuing story of their relationship. I don't blame Loki's presence for the faults of that movie, I blame the writers for fucking up Malekith and not balancing it's various plotlines well.

Ryan Phillippe might be Iron Fist

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People are blowing that out of proportion. He says he's "in talks" for a Netflix role with Marvel but doesn't specify who. It could be a supporting role in something like Luke Cage for all we know.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a role similar to that of the Russians in Daredevil. Canon Foreigner and not a main character, but still significant enough to make a big deal about the casting.

So this was fun.

Oh, its been said that Vanessa is a satellite character to Fisk and fair enough. But I want to know what her deal is. What drives her. She is a hard person and kind of dark. I hope she gets focus in the second season.

edited 1st May '15 2:13:41 AM by Bocaj

As do I.

So, i have to wonder, are the rest of the Netflix shows going to be set before or after Age of Ultron?

Probably after, to keep things simpler?

I am not even sure when Daredevil is set. Marvel seems to have given out the orders to avoid giving specific dates to avoid contradictions.

Most of the MCU has been taking place at the same time as its release date, with the obvious exception of Agent Carter and the possible exception of The Incredible Hulk. This obviously takes place after The Avengers (2012), and while no mention of SHIELD is made, can still easily fit in after Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I still haven't seen Avengers: Age of Ultron, but I'm assuming all the upcoming shows will be taking place after it—though depending on when they're released, it could be that enough time will have passed that it won't get more than a passing mention, same as the first movie here.

It might end up being irrelevant - how big of an impact do the events Age of Ultron have on the world, or New York in particular?

My guess would be Ultron may have wreaked considerable havoc in his free days on the Internet and that could pop up in other Marvel shows.