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Deadlock Clock: Sep 23rd 2013 at 11:59:00 PM
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#26: Aug 29th 2013 at 11:42:41 AM

I think I probably like 10 without any caption.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#27: Aug 29th 2013 at 11:48:32 AM

Nitrokitty: I ask you again, how do you propose to illustrate a dialogue trope (that is, a trope about what words are used in a situation) with little to no text?

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#28: Aug 29th 2013 at 11:49:45 AM

I would use a page quote. Dialogue is not always best illustrated with an image.

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#29: Aug 29th 2013 at 11:53:16 AM

But I'm not talking about page quotes and this isn't the "page quote" thread. This is Image Picking, and we're talking about page images.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#30: Aug 29th 2013 at 12:07:06 PM

I don't think there's a problem with using text to illustrate the trope (and the image works, as they're shown around a planning table, which adds a context that a raw quote wouldn't have), but I also think that adding a double caption would be overkill. We want only as much text as is required to demonstrate the trope, and having the giant block of text under the image really doesn't add much.

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#31: Aug 29th 2013 at 2:53:18 PM

@Mad: With an image that actually looks interesting.

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#32: Aug 29th 2013 at 3:52:56 PM

Then suggest one.

Otherwise, this one's got support, and while your objection has been noted, I don't think it's enough to merit taking this down.

I don't like the idea of nixing all captions entirely, and I also don't like the idea of posting an xkcd comic without its second punchline - which is why I hid it in a labelnote, so it's not particulary intrusive.

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#33: Aug 29th 2013 at 4:14:56 PM

[up] Very well. [1] [2] [3] [4]

Not great, I admit, but I still think they're better than the XKCD comic.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#34: Aug 29th 2013 at 4:30:13 PM

There is an OOTS strip with a chart of how evil Belkar is, with time on the x-axis, and "kilonazis" on the y.

Bottom of http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0489.html, unusually high graphics-to-text ratio for an OOTS image, not as many examples as the xkcd suggestion but more concise.

edited 29th Aug '13 4:38:44 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#35: Aug 29th 2013 at 6:53:13 PM

Also not very clear at all. If you have to tilt your head and squint (mostly because it's not spelled correctly), it's not very good.

I still think the xkcd is the best one. The one with the canisters (33.3) come close, though, but it just doesn't feel right for me.

edited 29th Aug '13 6:53:54 PM by AnotherDuck

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#36: Aug 29th 2013 at 7:03:03 PM

Megadeaths are not this trope. Kilonazis are similar but not quite this trope. The trope is comparative: expressing a measurable characteristic in terms of something not generally used as a unit of measure. "Evil" is not a measurable characteristic.

edited 29th Aug '13 7:07:30 PM by Madrugada

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#37: Aug 29th 2013 at 7:15:24 PM

[up][up][up][up] Of those, I like #3 the best.

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#38: Aug 30th 2013 at 12:49:56 AM

I am fine with @33 being 1,3 or 4.

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Melkior Since: Dec, 2011
#39: Aug 30th 2013 at 3:14:22 AM

Here we go.

http://imgur.com/jVGkWWV

Caption: "The green line represents a hypothetical offspring of Cruella de Ville and Sauron. note "

edited 30th Aug '13 3:14:40 AM by Melkior

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m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#40: Aug 30th 2013 at 3:22:48 AM

[tup] on XKCD.

[down]That shows Fantastic Measurement System and 20% More Awesome.

edited 30th Aug '13 5:25:04 AM by m8e

Melkior Since: Dec, 2011
#41: Aug 30th 2013 at 3:33:42 AM

Uploaded.

Edit: Now used for Fantastic Measurement System.

edited 30th Aug '13 6:50:16 AM by Melkior

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#42: Aug 30th 2013 at 4:16:35 AM

Would [up] fit on Fantastic Measurement System? It really seems more like that trope.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#43: Aug 30th 2013 at 4:57:26 AM

[up] But Nazis aren't a fantasy race.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#44: Aug 30th 2013 at 5:21:44 AM

Fantastic Measurement System doesn't have to be a Fantasy race. Kilonazi is a Fantastic Measurement System. Put the OOTS one on that page. It doesn't have an image either, and the strip is listed as an example there.

Hiroshima as a Unit of Measure is where a unit is scaled to a specific object.

edited 30th Aug '13 5:30:50 AM by Madrugada

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Melkior Since: Dec, 2011
#45: Aug 30th 2013 at 6:41:58 AM

[up] I've done exactly that. :-)

There's no obligation to keep it of course. Go ahead and suggest a different image if you can think of a better one.

edited 30th Aug '13 6:49:37 AM by Melkior

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#46: Sep 20th 2013 at 3:59:04 AM

Clock is set. Any other thoughts on the caption?

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#47: Sep 20th 2013 at 8:25:22 AM

I'm good w/ 10 or 12 (assuming the latter is potholed to Alt Text) - preferably 10, since it doesn't have a caption in the image in addition to a caption on the wiki.

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#48: Sep 24th 2013 at 6:04:51 AM

Alright, the clock is up, and while the suggestion isn't ideal, it's better than nothing and has enough consensus to run with, so it's added as in 10 and tagged. Locking up.

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