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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#1: Aug 1st 2013 at 4:48:19 AM

It's... just a butterfly. This trope isn't even about butterflies. It's just the Trope Namer, but it doesn't help illustrate.

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#2: Aug 1st 2013 at 5:29:43 AM

The trope has nothing to do with Schrodinger either... shall we replace the butterfly with a picture of Erwin? tongue

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#3: Aug 1st 2013 at 6:40:39 AM

Yeah, what's this trope about again? It doesn't seem to have any relation to Schrodingers Cat or Butterfly of Doom.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#4: Aug 1st 2013 at 6:55:38 AM

Yeah, I haven't quite figured it out. I thought it was like Or Was It a Dream?, but the description says they contrast. I figured it was like the top at the end of Inception. Maybe this trope needs some serious TRS.

edited 1st Aug '13 6:55:52 AM by Rethkir

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5: Aug 1st 2013 at 7:09:56 AM

On first glance, it should be merged with Or Was It a Dream?. But yeah, that goes on the TRS queue.

In the meantime, the image illustrates the name rather than the trope, and ought to be cut.

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#6: Aug 1st 2013 at 7:10:49 AM

So it has nothing to do with Butterfly of Doom, but rather the Butterfly refers to a Chinese philosopher who couldn't figure out whether he was a butterfly or not in a thought experiment. It would be lovely if the description clarified that at all, rather than relying on the quote.

I think the difference between this and Or Was It a Dream? is that OWIAD is about there being some hint that the dream took place (but you are definitely awake now as well). This is about the dream took place... but you may have never woken up.

Either way, NOT going to be easy to illustrate.

[down]Seconded.

edited 1st Aug '13 7:17:33 AM by Larkmarn

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#7: Aug 1st 2013 at 7:15:23 AM

Motion to pull — non-illustrative and possibly misleading

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#8: Aug 1st 2013 at 8:04:16 AM

How about this one? It's slightly more indicative of the trope — a dream that the dreamer isn't sure whether it's a dream or not.

edited 1st Aug '13 8:04:46 AM by Madrugada

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
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#9: Aug 1st 2013 at 8:05:58 AM

I'd be happy with that. Not perfect, but good enough.

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#10: Aug 1st 2013 at 8:10:52 AM

[up][up] That's much better.

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#11: Aug 1st 2013 at 8:12:35 AM

Much, much better. It clearly illustrates at least what the trope is about, while the current (despite being pretty) does not.

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#12: Aug 1st 2013 at 8:13:26 AM

Yes.

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#13: Aug 1st 2013 at 8:15:57 AM

Yeah, that goes well.

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#15: Aug 1st 2013 at 8:34:37 AM

That's seven votes in favour, so it's up and tagged.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#16: Aug 1st 2013 at 10:05:03 AM

That's a thousand times better.

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#18: Aug 1st 2013 at 11:17:40 AM

Good find. Caption or no?

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#19: Aug 1st 2013 at 12:12:18 PM

"...dreaming of butterflies dreaming of me dreaming of butterflies."?

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#20: Aug 1st 2013 at 12:17:43 PM

"Was I dreaming, or did I just dream I was dreaming?"

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#21: Aug 1st 2013 at 12:20:33 PM

I think the old caption would suffice.

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#23: Aug 1st 2013 at 3:44:55 PM

[up] I like that best of all.

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#24: Aug 1st 2013 at 6:50:57 PM

After reading the tropes through, I think I have the distinctions pegged down.

  • All Just a Dream: An adventure turns out to have been a dream.
  • Or Was It a Dream?:... Only for a clue that suggests the dream really happened.
  • Schrödinger's Butterfly: A character discovers they are in a false world (VR, illusion, dream) and gets out. Only to have a lingering doubt as to whether they really got out or just changed the simulation.

So OWIAD has a "dream" prove real and is used only for dreams. SB implies the simulation is ongoing, and encompasses more false reality scenarios.

edited 1st Aug '13 6:53:02 PM by Earnest

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#25: Aug 5th 2013 at 6:20:42 AM

No consensus on a caption; locking up.

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