YKTTW Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched YKTTWs and pages:

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Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages

edited 23rd Sep '13 11:41:28 AM by SeptimusHeap

1 SeptimusHeap2nd Dec 2012 12:12:39 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages

edited 23rd Sep '13 11:41:28 AM by SeptimusHeap

That means tropes that didn't go through YKTTW but also works that are created without enough description or examples.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
3 SeptimusHeap3rd Dec 2012 04:11:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Off The Reservation is the first thing that IMO could need an unlaunching.
Uh, yeah.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Seeking for Light
Definitely agree.
6 Deboss3rd Dec 2012 05:43:30 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
The Lammio was what spurred the other threads creation.

Also, agree on Off The Reservation.

edited 3rd Dec '12 5:43:46 PM by Deboss

7 videogmer3143rd Dec 2012 06:52:05 PM from that one place , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Off The Reservation reads like the first draft of a YKTTW. I support unlaunching it.
8 Nohbody3rd Dec 2012 06:54:56 PM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
I don't know if Reservation would really qualify for even "first draft" status. +1 for unlaunching and sending back to YKTTW.
9 tdgoodrich13rd Dec 2012 09:00:12 PM from Atlanta , Relationship Status: Californicating
Simmer Down and Pucker Up
[up] and [up][up] Agreed.

Just a thought: Should we have a running crowner like the one used in the Real Life Maintenance thread?
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop

"I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
10 SeptimusHeap3rd Dec 2012 11:22:19 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
A crowner for sending things back to YKTTW? Personally, I prefer to vote with posting - less risk of unexplained votes.
11 Xtifr4th Dec 2012 12:41:35 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
The Lammio definitely needs to go back, and should not be allowed near the main wiki until it has A) a decent name, and B) more than one fictional fictional example!

Also agree on Off The Reservation. That one would probably have gotten fixed, no questions asked, at Ask The Tropers. We might want to keep this thread for borderline examples where there might be some debate.

edited 4th Dec '12 12:42:48 AM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Seeking for Light
[up] Agree on The Lammio.
13 shimaspawn4th Dec 2012 02:40:24 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up][up] Compete agreement.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
14 tdgoodrich14th Dec 2012 05:10:41 PM from Atlanta , Relationship Status: Californicating
Simmer Down and Pucker Up
+1 to unlaunch The Lammio.

edited 4th Dec '12 5:11:05 PM by tdgoodrich1

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop

"I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
15 videogmer3144th Dec 2012 05:26:22 PM from that one place , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
So how does unlaunching actually work?
16 Oreochan4th Dec 2012 05:54:08 PM from Pennsylvania
[up] I'm guessing that the trope goes to YKTTW again (or takes a run through there if hasn't already and once it's run through YKTTW has been completed and it's been launched it will replace what was originally on the article. If the trope gets a rename during the YKTTW process, the previous article for the trope will either get cut (if it has no inbounds and is misleading or a bad title) or redirected to the new and improved one.

edited 4th Dec '12 5:55:31 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
The link turns red upon unlaunching, so I think the article gets cut. There may even be a special mod-only or Eddie-only unlaunch tool for those that had a YKTTW.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
18 Deboss4th Dec 2012 08:26:29 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
My understanding is that there's an unlaunching tool that Eddie uses, but it requires there to be a YKTTW. The Lammio doesn't have a YKTTW (that I can see), so it'll have to be cut.
19 tdgoodrich14th Dec 2012 09:15:53 PM from Atlanta , Relationship Status: Californicating
Simmer Down and Pucker Up
Wasn't aware that such a tool existed. My point stands, however. It needs serious work before it can be launched.
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop

"I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
In uffish thought
If there was a YKTTW draft that was launched to create the page, Eddie has an unlauncher although it's technically possible to do it yourself. I don't think the page is cut with that, but we could cutlist it if deemed necessary. If there was no draft, we copy the current page and make a draft of it.
21 SeptimusHeap5th Dec 2012 03:50:00 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The Unlauncher to my understanding removes the YKTTW from the launch list and puts it back into the main YKTTW list.
22 Oreochan6th Dec 2012 12:51:16 PM from Pennsylvania
[up]I also believe that's how the unlauncher works. Since The Lammio has been cut has been and it apparently has no YKTTW, should we try to brainstorm a name before we send it to the YKTTW?

Anyways, if this also covers works... what should we do about Gingitsune? It's been languishing as a tropeless stub since March of this year. It also has no wicks besides indices (and has been on Needs Wiki Magic Love almost as soon as it was namespaced two months after it was created.) I looked at the main redirect's history and since anoni seemed to be the one who made the page, I pm'ed them about it even though I knew it was pretty much moot because they haven't been active since March.

But that's not the end to this page's problems; it's description was plagiarised from Baka Updates. It's not available in English anywhere (as far I know) and hasn't been officially licensed in English either, so I'm not familiar with it at all. I would have advocated it to be cut if it didn't somehow gain 526 inbounds. I'm really don't think running it through YKTTW will save it.

edited 6th Dec '12 2:09:47 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
23 SeptimusHeap6th Dec 2012 01:00:44 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I think the only thing to do there is to run it through YKTTW for trope examples and then add them to the current page.
24 lu1276th Dec 2012 01:06:31 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
No English translation? Cut it. It's unlikely to ever flourish unless some scan group picks it up.
25 SeptimusHeap6th Dec 2012 01:09:40 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
With so many inbounds, that's kinda of a hard proposition.

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