Is this an example?

Yes. The point of the R-Rated Opening is that it's designed to show audiences that, "Yes, you are watching an R-rated film, and it's time to get the kiddies out if you were dumb enough to bring them, or yourself out if you are the overly sensitive type." For one to be attached to a non-R film would be very odd, and I have a feeling that there is probably a lot of misuse on the article.

edited 23rd Feb '16 4:35:04 PM by Fighteer

Yes, exactly. I was asking because the image was from a movie with a PG-13 rating and kind of got confused.

The trope should probably be brought up in TRS due to rampant misuse. By definition, there cannot be an R-Rated Opening in a PG-13 or lower work, unless it's an example of Getting Crap Past the Radar. If the opening were actually rated R, so would the work.

Eh, I'm inclined to think a lot of that falls under Tropes Are Flexible - the description is focused around "an opening scene that shows that this is not a 'kiddie' story", not so much the literal R rating.

Though, R-Rated Opening implies the rest of the movie is kid-friendly, since only the opening is so dramatic. It doesn't really help that the page image comes from a PG-13 movie that isn't known for being terrifyingly kid-unfriendly.

edited 23rd Feb '16 11:09:20 PM by hellomoto

No, it doesn't imply the rest of the work is kid-friendly. The purpose is quite the opposite, to show that you shouldn't consider it kid-friendly, and that it's likely to consider more of the same material.

Still no.

edited 24th Feb '16 6:07:23 AM by AnotherDuck

Exactly. I was stating my impression from the title alone.

I do agree that going by name alone it could easily be confused for Downer Beginning. But that's a separate issue; I was just saying that I don't think examples need a literal R rating or the equivalent.

Are these Broken Base entries alright? They're not mine, but I'm not sure whether or not they should qualify, since from what I understand, opinions should actually conflict.

• The Twitch chat. Is the chat a non-stop argument that only backseat DMs the game that's ultimately unnecessary because the cast can't read it anyway, full of imbeciles spamming emoticons and memes that add nothing to the discussion, or a place being stifled by Orwellian mods who insist that any discussion that gets heated is "negativity"? What doesn't help is that while the mods are quick to shut down critics of the actors and characters, they do little to stop the meme spammers and sub hypers, often engaging in it themselves.
• Then Orion's departure sparked waves of back and forth discussion on the Critical Role subreddit - while everyone's sad to see him gone and wish him the best, some fans wanted to know very specifically why he left, especially with little fanfare compared to Ashley. Orion eventually came forward to say he was looking for the right way to explain his departure, confirming that he did leave by his own choice (however hard it might have been to make), and none too subtly told the Redditers to drop it.

To me the first one reads like "fans either hate this song because the bass sucks or because the beat sucks". Maybe the point is supposed to be that some people think the mods are too strict and some feel they're too lenient? I dunno if that qualifies either, though.

The second one just seems to be about a few fans wanting answers about a cast member's departure.

Okay, I have a question regarding a Trope for Sentinels of the Multiverse. In the game there is a character called La Capitan, whom is a time traveling pirate. She appears in three different forms. The first form is her traveling time with her crew stealing stuff. The second form - I shall call her Young La Capitan - is her younger form that the heroes/players meet after her first form who has just started to time travel. Her third form is La Commadora, an Older and Wiser La Captian who has seen the horrors of what awaits the heroes and wished to aid them to fix her past mistakes.

Would this be an example of The Hecate Sisters with Young La Capitan being Maiden (she doesn't know or really care about the damage to time she could be causing) La Capitan being the Matrion (the only incarnation of La Capitan with a crew that she seems to care for and they care back) and La Commadora being Crone (elderly, and seeks to help our heroes save the multiverse from the Big Bad OblivAeon)?

edited 26th Feb '16 6:45:53 PM by Kingofsouls

Does Blue Blood require a person to be born into nobility?

To be more specific, there's a character in a work whose page I've been working on who's a duke and inherited his duchy, but it's eventually revealed that his parents secretly bought him from an orphanage when he was a child (as they were unable to have children of their own). Would this be played straight, a subversion, or not an example at all?

I think you can be adopted into being a Blue Blood. The trope is for those who are in aristoratic or noble positions. But don't quote me on that, I might be wrong.

That does not sound like an example of The Hecate Sisters.

Darn. I think the three La Capitans might be closer to Freudian Trio, but I'm not sure who fits who. La Commadora is the oldest and wisest, Young La Capitan is young and frankly doesn't care about the potential danger of stealing stuff from other time periods, and La Capitan has a crew and is more mature, but not as mature as La Commadora who makes a Face–Heel Turn. Does that trope fit?

As for her not fitting The Hecate Sisters, why doesn't it fit?

edited 26th Feb '16 11:15:53 PM by Kingofsouls

It sounds like it could be an example of The Hecate Sisters by intent, even if it's stretched a bit. Generally the trope is about a triune entity that is simultaneously all three aspects, or three different characters acting as a composite entity. A single character that plays all three roles at different stages of their timeline is stretching it a bit.

By point of comparison, Piers Anthony had a single character be, at different points in her life, all three aspects of Fate in his Incarnations of Immortality series. However, at each of those points, there were two other characters embodying the other aspects.

Frankly, it feels like the example is trying too hard. Is there any point at which the player encounters all three versions of this character simultaneously?

edited 27th Feb '16 6:26:24 AM by Fighteer

These were recently added to The Mortal Instruments:

• Die or Fly:
  • Drinking from the Mortal Cup and undergoing Ascension will turn a mundane into a Nephilim — if they don't die from it. The risk of this goes up the older the mundane is.
  • Inverted with vampires. It is a case of Die and Fly. Basically vampirism is a demonic disease transmitted via bite. The disease is technically fatal, inasmuch as vampires are undead. But hey...flight!
• The Proud Elite: The Clave, they seem to be having some feudal fantasy wherein they perceive themselves to be a kind of warrior-nobility charged with protecting the mundane peasantry. Modernity has, if anything, had an inverse effect on social change here. While as recently as the 19th Century the Clave would employ the Mortal Cup to grant Ascension to select mundanes, by the time Jocelyn made off with the Cup it was no longer being used anyway. Likewise, while past generations of Shadowhunters could sometimes get away with marrying mundanes (their children would always be Nephilim regardless), the Clave started aggressively cracking down on these kinds of relationships. As a result their population was dangerously shrinking by the turn of the Millennium.
• Super-Empowering:
  • Ascension, drinking the blood of Raziel from the Mortal Cup can transform mundane humans into Nephilim. It is a case of Die or Fly though, as not everyone survives the process, and it apparently is riskier the older the mundane is.
  • Being bitten by a vampire or werewolf. Their respective conditions are actually demonic diseases with the bite as a vector. Nothing less than an Archangel or a Prince of Hell can turn somebody who has been changed back into a mundane as far as is known.

Die or Fly is supposed to be about a power that's unlocked when the person is in danger, not a potentially lethal method of getting superpowers. The vampire example is just Super-Empowering. Everything else seems ok.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:27:16 AM by DeisTheAlcano

Found this in YMMV.Dumbing Of Age

• Unintentionally Sympathetic: Mary, during her feud with Carla. While Mary's transphobic comment was a Moral Event Horizon moment and misgendering is fundamentally unacceptable regardless of Carla's behavior, Carla was the one who started the fight, intentionally escalated it and offers no defense for her actions aside from "I should be allowed to be an asshole". As such, many see them as both in the wrong.

I personally think it's a valid example but it is a YMMV trope so we need more than one person's opinion.

I would say it qualifies. The main concern seems to be that it might imply that misgendering can be condoned by the prior circumstance, which the opening statement seems to settle.

edited 27th Feb '16 12:58:24 PM by TheMoccasinKing

@tropers/fighteer, that's where it gets...odd. See, of the three forms of the character - La Capitan, Young La Capitan, and La Commadora - two of them are villains and the third a hero. In addition Young La Capitan is a Team villain while La Capitan in a Solo Villain, which means that from a gameplay stance, while it's possible to have a game where La Commadora battles either La Capitan, you can't have all three in battle at the same time. So like you said it is pushing it a bit mostly because the game does treat each La Capitan as a separate unique character. Probably YMMV at this point.

However, in the game's story Young La Capitan and La Commadora do encounter each other. I do not know if La Capitan and La Commadora meet but it's likely considering how all three are time travelers.

Gotta love time travel tense huh?

Also related question: for Primary-Color Champion I understand its Red and Blue together, but does it count if it's Red and Yellow?

edited 27th Feb '16 1:00:19 PM by Kingofsouls

Gonna call no on the example, then. The Hecate Sisters requires that the character(s) function as a triune personality, and this doesn't seem to count.

The La Capitan examples doesn't look like an example of The Hecate Sisters because they don't fit the personality types, especially the maiden. The second one is the mother, not the matrion.

Regarding the Unintentionally Sympathetic example, I find that something else. Maybe Strawman Has a Point, but I'm not sure it fits that either. It's not that Mary seems more sympathetic than intended as much it's Carla who seems more of an arse than intended. The example doesn't say anthing about the former, but a fair bit about the latter.

I said this in ATT, but Unintentionally Sympathetic requires that the character in question not be intended to be seen as sympathetic.