Is this an example?

Again with Calvin and Hobbes.

• Exploited Trope: Calvinball is brilliantly exploited by Rosalyn in her final appearance. Once she figures out how to play the trope naming game, she is able to send Calvin to bed by coming up with "Babysitter Flag".

edited 8th Sep '13 10:29:09 AM by PancticeSquadCutterback

There's a certain irony in having the Calvinball trope be exploited in the work that originated it. However, that would seem to fit the definition of Exploited Trope.

Hollywood Personality Disorders: Borderline Personality Disorder

• Both of the eponymous characters of Romeo and Juliet suffers from this, in addition to being impulsive teens themselves. Throughout the play itself, both also had behaviors from this disorder which eventually led to their suicides; chronic depression, rushing into love, marriage and sex, changing from one mood to another and contemplating about killing themselves for each other.

Hysterical Woman:

• Juliet herself in Romeo and Juliet. Though Romeo often lets his emotions get the better of him, she was not far off from acting on her own impulses too. The reason why their lives ends in suicide is that she jump to the decision to arrange plans with Friar Lawrence to help fake her death via sleeping potion, not thinking of what would happen if said plan were to fail and Romeo was unable to get the message from the Friar.

Unintentionally Unsympathetic:

• The main characters themselves from Romeo and Juliet were this to the modern audiences. Granted, they were Star-Crossed Lovers whose lives ends in suicide, due to their bad luck and the situation they were in being caused by their Feuding Families. But it can be hard to feel sorry for them at the end of the play, due to the fact that their misery is caused by their own impulsive actions.

edited 9th Sep '13 5:54:27 AM by Craver357

That first example is a Zero-Context Example.

@Septimus Heap: There you go. I finished elaborating my Zero Context Example in the first of the three examples by editing it.

Hollywood Personality Disorders: That's a Just for Fun page, so the example could go on there, but it wouldn't go on the main work page.

Hysterical Woman: No, not an example. R&J shows both main characters as impulsive, irrational, and emotionally unstable. I'd argue that Juliet is less "hysterical" than Romeo. Note that this trope is only present if the women are "hysterical" in contrast to the men.

Unintentionally Unsympathetic: It's a YMMV trope, and your argument is based in the work, so that should be fine. I would change the first sentence to "The main characters themselves from Romeo and Juliet can seem this way.", as 1) it's not universal, 2) it's not necessarily limited to modern audiences, and 3) works are written about in present tense.

edited 9th Sep '13 10:44:50 AM by Nocturna

@Nocturna: Thanks for helping me to verify the examples. I will post more on this forum when I need it in the meantime.

Hello people. Isn't this forum the same as the Get help with English, the other forum (the one that is correcting grammar), but about verifying whether or not the examples qualify for the tropes or not?

Yes. That said, I prefer to use "thread" since "forum" usually refers to the higher-level structure.

@Septimus Heap: I have a question to ask, please. Once I'm finished discussing on this thread, and the examples are already verified as correct, do I have to edit for myself, or another troper could help me?

Depends upon whether you have editing privileges/rights, really.

edited 10th Sep '13 3:52:01 AM by SeptimusHeap

And what if I don't have the editing privileges/rights to edit for myself? Am I supposed to go to the Edit banned/Suspended thread instead?

edited 10th Sep '13 4:02:09 AM by Craver357

Well, sometimes people whose editing was withdrawn because of bad grammar/bad example quality are required to get their edits screened in one of these two threads. If their entries have been screened here and accepted, they are free to add them, or someone else does it for them.

Mind you, specifics can vary.

And if I don't get to be free to add the examples for myself, then how long do I have to wait for people to help me with adding the examples?

You'll have to say that. Ordinary people can't see the banlists.

So does than mean that the Get help with English and this thread aren't really edit requests for pages which are not unlocked at all?

You'll need to ask that someone add your examples. Otherwise they'll have no way of knowing that you can't add them yourself.

But yes, in both this thread and the "Get Help with English" thread, once your examples have been approved, someone will be willing to add them for you, if you're wiki-banned and have been told to use these threads.

@Madrugada: Why didn't I think of that earlier? Thanks for the advice anyway. I just have to get back to the topic of this thread.

Is Unintentionally Unsympathetic the same as Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy, but applied to characters in that the they were hard to sympathize with or root for?

Isn't Tragic Mistake as same as A Tragedy of Impulsiveness, but more specific? They sounds the same to me, as in "A character does an impulsive act which he or she later regrets, because it led to horrific consequences".

Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy occurs, when an audience can't symphatize/identify themselves with any party in the story conflict because they are all bad.

A Tragedy of Impulsiveness requires impulsiveness, but I am not sure if it needs a "mistake" proper. It's a subtrope of Tragic Mistake.

Someone added the following example to Mature Animal Story

• Arguably, playing as a Tauren or Pandaren in World of Warcraft.

The fact that they use "Arguably" is a bit of a red flag in my book. I'm not familiar enough with the work to know if it meets the trope definition by:

• Being "designed for and marketed toward adults and older teens" (ie not young children or early teens)
• "featuring anthropomorphized animals as its main cast" (which I think at the time of trope creation was meant to mean that almost all the characters were animals)
• "which contains content that is generally considered inappropriate for little kids."

Also, I do not believe that the trope was intended to cover everything fantasy or science fiction setting with an somewhat animalistic fantasy species, such as Cat Folk, Minotaurs, etc. We don't call Larry Niven's books a Mature Animal Story because of the Kzinti.

edited 10th Sep '13 3:22:04 PM by Catbert

That entry is a Zero Context Example, anyhow.

Seconded.

I asked Fighteer about the World of Warcraft one, since I know he plays it. His response was:

"bad example

It's a T rated game and there is virtually no sexual content at all"

He'd have posted himself but he's currently busy with the new WoW patch

Fair enough. I just cut the example with an link to this discussion in the edit reason. I just feel sorry for Mark Lungo for having made the effort to properly namespace an example that got cut, after the initial editor failed to do so.

Thanks Mark Lungo, we appreciate you anyway.

edited 10th Sep '13 3:39:47 PM by Catbert

Hi, I didn't get an answer for 204 nor 217. Can somebody please respond?

Thanks!