Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
Remember that the forum rules apply here, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q. This episodic work isn't finished yet. Shouldn't we wait for the ending before discussing it?
A. No. If released instalments may violate the content policy, we want to take action as soon as that's established — we don't need to wait for the ending. We can always revisit a decision to cut or keep once the work is over, but that point might still be years or decades away.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 5th 2024 at 6:00:30 PM
... "Fuelability" isn't even a word.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I thought Lavagirl was attractive...when I myself was in elementary school. Calling her Fetish Fuel as a user (assumingly) over 13/possibly an adult is another line that needs not be crossed.
"A buddy is a buddy no matter how nutty."Hello. <taps mic> Is this thing on?
Okay, the backlog hasn't really been addressed. And it looks like two of the three P5 members haven't been on the site in months. (tdgoodrich last posted on the forums in January, Komodin in February.) And while I do have a new work for content review, I don't want to flag it if there's no chance anything can be formally done about it.
I know it might seem radical, but I'm starting to think that the only way to get anything done now is call down one of the admins from their high perch into this thread to start addressing this situation. Since (as far as I know) they have to be the ones to appoint new P5 members, it's the only way I can foresee that will get things moving around here. But since I'm not about to do it unilaterally (for obvious, obvious reasons)...well, what do you all think?
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)It is an old system to handle an old problem. It is being subject to a changing political landscape. Personally, I think the program is still relevant and could do with a revitalisation for another couple years.
If you are wondering what the holdup is, my guess is that the current administration does not want to touch this program with a ten foot pole. In fact, they might be theorising that intentionally leaving the project to fail is a good short term solution.
I surely hope the P5 isn't dead. From the amount of skeevy works we're still digging up today (well, when someone bothers to post in this subforum, that is), TV Tropes is still in need of it.
"A buddy is a buddy no matter how nutty."I shall see if I can call ~Discar, ~tdgoodrich1 and ~Komodin here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanWell, we'll get Discar's opinion, at least. (I know he's still around, I was talking to him in another thread a couple of days ago.)
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)I am willing to review works for this purpose if you need a new member of p5.
Keeper of The Celestial FlameIt was mentioned in the Sonic the Hedgehog thread that Komodin died of cancer in March.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?...........................................................seriously?
Well, crap.
Edit: I'm torn between being sad and pissed off at how it was posted on his fanfic's page that this happened, but no one thought to notify the site staff. You know, kind of a big thing.
Either way, it's official: we need a new P5 member.
edited 21st May '16 4:13:29 PM by TotemicHero
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)I didn't know Komodin had died either. I think tgoodrich1 is still around somewhere. I vaguely remember seeing him. Getting two more members wouldn't be a bad idea.
I've voted on everything that has two votes, and most of the other ones. There are a couple I was delaying on, let's see...
Manga.Breakfast Club: Says it's set in a boy's high school dorm and aimed at older women. But is it explicit? The page isn't clear. Having trouble finding it online because of the movie.
WebComic.Tales Of Schlock: Just a little confused as to whether it's pure porn or not. I've been delaying reading it, I can probably get to it soon.
Xenophilia: Pony/human. Is this the one where humans are feral and unintelligent?
... You only need to open Xenophilia's article and read the first few lines to see that the answer to that question is "No."
edited 21st May '16 4:21:20 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Uh, I think you're supposed to take your evaluations to the other thread.
Like I said above, I checked their posting histories, and tgoodrich hasn't been on the (public) forums since January.
Edit: I'll tackle the Absent People thread.
edited 21st May '16 4:27:00 PM by TotemicHero
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)Xenophilia has already passed P5 in the past, the flag is a dupe.
The one where the humans are bestial is Your Human And You. I was asking after it a while ago on the other thread. It seemed suspicious. It has three devils and is still not cut.
edited 21st May '16 9:44:03 PM by war877
As someone who's read that fic (for some strange reason that I don't quite understand) I can confirm that the vast majority of it is perfectly fine. The worst part is the three "Guest Chapters". I don't remember those chapters very well, but I recall that they were significantly more explicit and gross than anything else in the story.
If that fic is a problem, those are the chapters you'll want to look at, I guess.
Jesus. What a loss. Komodin was a fantastic soul, an all around great guy. I had no idea he was gone. RIP.
Rest in peace, Komodin. Sorry we're only hearing about this now.
@Discar: I skimmed a bit of Breakfast Club. The sex scenes are fairly infrequent, and when they do occur are non-explicit (thrusting but no genitalia visible). Probably fine.
"A buddy is a buddy no matter how nutty."I PM'd an admin letting them know directly about Komodin and that three P5 members minimum are needed.
...What? I was polite.
I apologize for not being able to volunteer myself, but right now it's not possible. Maybe in the future.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry PratchettAre there any requirements for volunteering in Komodin's place?
I am willing to do it, as I said earlier. So I am also interested in how you apply.
We need 3 new members. Not just one to replace Komodin (RIP).
edited 24th May '16 3:06:11 PM by TheOneWhoTropes
Keeper of The Celestial FlameYou have to do a thousand pushups, swear fealty to the High Lord Eddie of Rapidity, read Kodomo no Jikan twice, and then jog backwards around the Louvre naked.
From what I know, you need to have been fairly active on the site, shown a good history of behavior, and shown willingness to help the site (there are several ways to have done this last one). If you meet all of those, then the admins will consider you. Or at least, that was how Fast Eddie handled it. The new admins...I can't say for sure.
Oh, and a thick skin and good tolerance for some horrible horrible stuff will also help.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)This is the job on the wiki that has the highest burnout rate. Just a warning. There is some horrible shit out there that somehow still has fans.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickTraditional wisdom holds that the best people for the job are the ones who don't want it. Seems like a poor way to establish a committee though.
In all seriousness, are the new owners distancing themselves from the P5 as some thought? If nobody noticed that there hasn't been any work done since April, that suggests to me that they may not be eager to pick new members, and they're the only ones I would say have the authority to do so aside from maybe a coalition of the mods.
^This too. You'll be wading through some horrible stuff.
edited 24th May '16 3:17:08 PM by RedSavant
It's been fun.
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Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick