Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
Remember that the forum rules apply here, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q. This episodic work isn't finished yet. Shouldn't we wait for the ending before discussing it?
A. No. If released instalments may violate the content policy, we want to take action as soon as that's established — we don't need to wait for the ending. We can always revisit a decision to cut or keep once the work is over, but that point might still be years or decades away.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 5th 2024 at 6:00:30 PM
I don't see how This Is a Wiki or Work Pages Are a Free Launch are relevant to my question. I was refering that it doesn't make sense in CV threads to start voting to cut/keep before checking the subject a thread was opened for. Unless it's implying it's fine to call then re-open later.
Edited by Amonimus on Feb 16th 2024 at 7:34:00 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupExcept no, it was pretty clearly a cut for being mostly porn, not for pedo-bait or CP concerns.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessMakes sense, then. Given Saki's a minor.
Absolute RainbowThe post you're replying to has said it's not a factor and has corrected you. Not sure what's the point of stating it again.
Edited by Amonimus on Feb 16th 2024 at 10:17:12 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupWhat was Saki's age then?
Absolute RainbowIf you explain its relevance to the conversation.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupApparently unconfirmed, only that she's a first year high school student. I don't get why you're so obsessed with her being a minor, the entire argument for cutting it was that it was hentai and thus more porn than plot. TV Tropes does not allow entries for pornographic content (as in, like, full-on pornography, not stuff that features explicit sex here and there).
Even if she'd been an adult the consensus would've been the same, as I understand it.
Edited by Zazie122 on Feb 20th 2024 at 9:27:57 AM
Avatar: Amethio (Pokemon Horizons)Yeah, the reason I emphasized the character's age as grounds for my thread on Metamorphosis was that it was kind of glazed over in the initial forum discussion prior to the page being made in the first place. I'd assumed that it was approved based on the fact that the people discussing it agreed that Metamorphosis met the adequate Porn with Plot/Plot With Porn standard that would allow the page to exist, but whether or not the repeated graphic rape of an underage protagonist would fly was still a concern for me.
But like, if it turns out the work didn't actually pass that standard (i.e. upon actual inspection of the manga, the pornography is the primary purpose, plot was just a secondary matter), that takes precedent. If it's porn (and there isn't a bowdlerised or otherwise SFW alternative), it doesn't belong.
Edited by number9robotic on Feb 19th 2024 at 3:28:43 AM
Thanks for playing King's Quest V!Correct. Saki being a minor wasn't the reasoning behind the decision, the decision was because the porn-to-plot ratio was too high.
It's been almost three weeks since my original post asking for it to be unlocked, and zero reason has been given for Sonic High School to still be locked, nor has anyone even opposed unlocking it. I have no idea what I'm meant to do, or what is meant to happen now.
Someone please help.
It's been mostly ignored, actually.
Everyone: Does anyone have an objection to unlocking Sonic High School?
It's probably fine until there are problems.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanupseems fine to unlock.
Stan GaruKaru for clear skinIs Sandbox.Content Policy Reasonings still being worked upon?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI keep meaning to get to it, and still think it would be useful to merge with the Administrvia/ page (or split that one into two), but it's been rather tiresome to keep up to date with no support.
Edited by Amonimus on Feb 23rd 2024 at 9:42:17 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupMay I ask that the namespace for Smile of Condemnation on the Content Policy page be changed to Literature? (I was experiencing serious Adaptation Displacement when I made the work's page.)
You can ask here. This thread is not for requests.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI'll point ~Siegfried1337 here since the question was raised.
I take the suggestion is to append
- Also, in the case of HGames, there is this questioning to fill up:
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
with
- If there's a censored version, it achieving Golden Ending still possible despite the cut content?
Which tbh not sure if we really care as long as it's playable at all.
Also maybe "Ryona" can be added to Glossary at the same line where "Guro" is as it's been brought up in the past.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 13th 2024 at 9:27:57 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupWhat I meant to clarify is "does the story still makes sense even if the content was cut?".
Also, yeah, Ryona should be definitely under the Glossary.
Edited by Siegfried1337 on Mar 13th 2024 at 11:41:45 AM
MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB DatesDoes Porn Tropes need a hard-coded redirect? If such a page shouldn't be around, just remove the redirect and send it to the Permanent Red Link Club; don't add a redirect for the sake of adding a redirect.
Am I that troper? Maybe, maybe not, the world may never know.You were already replied to here. I wish it wasn't hardcoded.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I'd appreciate if there's a second opinion on whether an image for a proposed work page looks appropriate to use or not. I'm planning on starting a page for an ecchi Horror Comedy one-shot called Final Girl by You Kokikuji, a work itself I think is perfectly fine to document (mostly because it's a parody of Slasher Films and its genre tropes, its fanservice-y scenes are revealing but overall tasteful enough).
My concern is whether the cover art the manga uses is too saucy for the site or not, which is a pinup of the protagonist in a pretty revealing and moderately bloody outfit (no linking here, should be easy to find-search). I think it should be okay to use because it's not blatantly inappropriate, but I'd just like any outside opinions, because I don't want to get the page in trouble, and I can't find any other panel/page from the comic that I think would be a better page image.
Edited by number9robotic on Mar 24th 2024 at 4:45:42 AM
Thanks for playing King's Quest V!It's better to create the page first and then make a IP thread for the pic. The worst that could happen would be the image getting pulled or rejected, the text won't get affected because the work isn't porn.
As for the pic itself, it's the same level of skimpiness as a normal bikini. I think it's ok.
Edited by animuacid on Mar 24th 2024 at 1:15:11 PM
Metamorphosis was only cut because its main character, Saki Yoshida, was a minor during most of the story, and there's sex, thus making the manga a case of child porn.