Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
Well, I don't really care if it stays or goes, but it's still one purpose of it, even if there are other more important purposes alongside it.
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A simple sentence stating that in Real Life, stewardesses were chosen for being slim, young, and fit, and this may have contributed to the notion that they were intended to be seen as sexy, would suffice. As for Real Life examples, it would only be valid if there is proof, not just speculation, that stewardesses on a particular airline are chosen specifically for sex appeal.
Edit: Never mind, it seems that the description does summarize the analysis bit. Good work.
edited 14th Dec '12 9:02:24 AM by Fighteer
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It seems that we need a new crowner.
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"In distress", my ass.
^ Not really. There haven't been any new nominations added to the crowner recently, and there's not so many on there now that a new one would be drowning in a sea of strikethrough.
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Delusions of Eloquence. The Barack Obama example on Delusions Of Eloquence Discussion seems to be particularly problematic, and I feel it's not an exception.
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Definitely should get its Real Life section excised.
No, the other one.
I don't think it's categorically bad, but some of the examples are probably wrong, as they are more about plain errors like misspeaking or singular instances. I'd prefer just cleaning it a little before deciding to purge.
Also, I liked the edit reason for re-adding that Barack example before it was deleted again: "anti-free-speech troll vandalized previous edit". That just tells me the example probably shouldn't be there. If the example fits, it fits without all sinkholes.
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Potentially insulting trope being applied to real life people, including politicians?
Fire up the chainsaw, boys.
No, the other one.
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I cleaned it, so no more politicians, because those were misuse. Don King is the only named person left, actually, and then only as a presented persona, rather than his actual person. And since it's actually verifiable, it's no more insulting than the related Malaproper. It's not a subjective value we throw on people, or a psychological analysis, but just taking what they say at face value.
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Good point.
edited 22nd Dec '12 8:28:52 PM by AnotherDuck
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I don't think presented personas should actually be in the real life section.
The trope is insulting to the person it describes. We should not be in the business of insulting people here on TvTropes.
No, the other one.
Not if someone uses it deliberately.
It wouldn't fit the trope if it was deliberate. The trope is someone who thinks he or she is sounding smart and eloquent by using big words, but isn't because he or she is using them incorrectly or messing them up. If the person is doing this deliberately, then he or she does not think he or she is sounding smart or eloquent, and, thus, does not fit the trope.
No, the other one.
It's not a straight example, no, but it can be some other way to play with it. Parody, invoking, lampshading...
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Anyway, I just added Evil Chancellor to the crowner. It's another evil trope, so there really shouldn't be that much debate.
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Added Delusions of Eloquence to the crowner.
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Wait. If we're categorically against calling RL people evil, why not just make the whole evil tropes index NRELP! by default?
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Most of the Real Life section of The Not Secret is actually about Open Secret. The Not Secret is supposed to be when those keeping the secret think it is a well-kept secret.
edited 28th Dec '12 4:25:50 PM by Lophotrochozoa
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Evil Chancellor - Added 23rd Dec '12 at 01:33:42 AM, 23:0
All your safe space are belong to Trump
If it's misuse, you can just cut it/move it to the proper page. That's just basic cleaning and doesn't require consensus from the thread.
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Delusions of Eloquence - Added 24th Dec '12 at 12:26:03 PM, 2.67 (8y/3n)
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Should I add Stop Being Stereotypical? The RL section has a problem with Thread Mode.
That is not Thread Mode, just bad Example Indentation.
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Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
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On it. Eta: Done. Wall of Text now resides on the Analysis page.
About the example: If someone can cite that stewardesses are picked for they sexy appeal then that example can stay.
edited 14th Dec '12 9:00:35 AM by SeptimusHeap
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