Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
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- Impossible in Real Life
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If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
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- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Now wait a minute, I can see cutting the RL sections on the "evil' tropes, but not on the neutral/good tropes.
Lost in Space
You are making a value judgement about a real person. That's the issue here. We do not permit Barack Obama (for example) to be listed as a Big Good any more than as The Antichrist.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I don't mean necessarily the subjective ones, I mean the one's based on actions they've taken. Such as the people on the Chronic Hero Syndrome page.
Lost in Space
If a trope is objectively demonstrated in a person's actions, and is explicitly not a morality trope, then it may be considered for the Real Life section.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I think we should keep the ones here that are demonstrated actions, like the fireman and special forces/SWAT team examples.
edited 24th Oct '12 1:34:16 PM by shoboni
Lost in Space
Demonstrated where? Be specific.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Well all those teams save lives, rescue hostages, pull people out of fires, ect. I can go dig through the page and post some of the examples if you want.
edited 24th Oct '12 2:17:50 PM by shoboni
Lost in Space
What does that have to do with anything we're talking about?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Because we're discussing cutting the RL examples on the "Dark is Not Evil" page.
Hmm, I see you don't know very much about the problems associated with RL sections. Simply put, any action that attributes morality to a RL person or entity is almost certainly going to be contested, because without a story being told, there is no "canon" and it all depends upon our subjective opinions on the topic. For example, is Barack Obama Dark Is Not Evil because he killed Osama Bin Laden? Is he the opposite, for being president during an economic recession? This sort of arguments is why we don't want RL examples of these tropes.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I'm kinda talking about the less dicey stuff, people that directly save lives. I agree that as far as politics it would be best for the wiki to stay outta that one.
Lost in Space
How in the world would you get Dark Is Not Evil out of the actions of firemen? Is there someone claiming that firefighters are evil? Because that is all kinds of stupid. Similarly, armies are not evil (well, unless Armies Are Evil is in play, but that also is — or should be — NRLEP). In real life, people are not good or evil. They are just people, who do things. Things are not tropes.
edited 24th Oct '12 2:36:49 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
The other issue - even at birthday, I forget things at times - is that there is often Square Peg Round Trope going on; The Hero is not "someone who saved lives", it's "the good guy in the story" - this disallows RL examples.
If there is a trope The Lifesaver, then you could add RL examples to it (but there won't be - People Sit On Chairs).
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Well the example they had was intimidating nature of the military style gear all those groups tend to wear. I agree the fireman one is a little iffy.
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I think the real life example for that tend to go in Chronic Hero Syndrome when they fit.
edited 24th Oct '12 2:39:47 PM by shoboni
Lost in Space
Well, then I'm really glad we cut the examples, because that is missing the point so badly that one would imagine these tropers were drunk, blindfolded, and possibly clinically brain-dead.
True, now that I think about it, most people would find those people more cool than anything.
"In distress", my ass.
BTW, Fighteer, Armies Are Evil isn't NRLEP, but I agree it should be so I added it to the crowner.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Are you sure? I'm seeing the tag already there and it is listed on the NRLEP index.
Voting against Strange Girl. It is subjective, but it isn't making a value judgment on eccentricities. The zero content examples can be fixed.
"In distress", my ass.
^^ Crap, you're right, it is NRLEP already. I didn't look for the public NRLEP notice. I've already gotten used to the [[noreallife]] tag being used, so I just hit the "edit" button to check for the red text in the tip box (yeah, could've just checked source as well, but edit was closer to my cursor at that moment 
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Anyway, fixing both the nrl tag and the crowner option.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
"The unifying trait of all Strange Girls is that they are protagonists..." If that's required by the definition, then it can't occur in real life.
edited 25th Oct '12 12:01:15 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
No, the other one.
Reading the examples, no, they're not. I don't think that should be a trait of the character type.
edited 25th Oct '12 1:30:04 PM by AnotherDuck
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Lost in Space
We need to TRS Strange Girl, as it is in and of itself uselessly broad to be a trope, as opposed to a supertrope. That said, calling someone "strange" is so vague as to be worthless when applied to Real Life. That's why it's on the crowner.
edited 25th Oct '12 1:32:30 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Strange Girl is also so broad as to not be a trope, but that's a TRS issue. Adding to crowner.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"