Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

Not to mention swearing a lot is pretty chairsy.

edited 4th Apr '17 8:13:29 PM by Nohbody

If we add Sir Swears-a-Lot, then it should be gossip or too common in real life.

I'm thinking too common, as it's not really gossip if they are actually foul-mouthed.

Anyway, added it to the crowner.

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No more entries for the crowner, please. After Sir Swears-a-Lot and Crack Defeat are concluded, I'll be making a new crowner.

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• Crack Defeat: Added 4th Apr '17 at 07:42:48 PM, 5:1 (6)
• Sir Swears-a-Lot: Added 5th Apr '17 at 05:57:41 AM, 1:0

By that rationale, Cluster F-Bomb should be NRLEP as well.

I don't think Sir Swears-a-Lot should be NRLEP. It's not really gossip to say that a person swears a lot, since it's obvious to everybody who's listened to them.

However, there seems to be some misuse, or at least insufficient context, in the RL section, just listing people who swear a lot. The trope description says "A character with a distinguishing characteristic of swearing noticeably more, or at least in harsher words, than the rest of the cast. Keep in mind that this is relative [...]" so the trope is about people who swear more than the people surrounding them, not just people who swear a lot in general. The examples I'm thinking of lack the comparison to other people, so they don't give enough context to say if it's a real example or not.

And I think this could also take care of the "too common in RL" argument - people who simply swear a lot are so common it's PSOC, but people who swear a lot more than there companions are perhaps not that common.

edited 5th Apr '17 7:27:30 AM by GnomeTitan

I want to say that the "rest of the cast" would be either all 7 billion of us (too common) or all of the other people from that country (still too common). RL doesn't actually have a "cast," though. Moreover, I think what you said is exactly what gossiping is. "So-and-so does this inane thing; let's talk about it." It becomes more obvious that it is gossiping with phrasing like "according to fellow voice actress," which is on the page.

What WB said. No "cast" in RL, just a random bunch of schmucks.

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• Crack Defeat: Added 4th Apr '17 at 07:42:48 PM, 3.33:1 (13)
• Sir Swears-a-Lot: Added 5th Apr '17 at 05:57:41 AM, 1.17:1 (13)

Yes, the "cast" thing is a problem. The trope was clearly not written with Real Life in mind. What I meant was that a Sir Swears-a-Lot in real life, though they're not part of a cast, must at least stick out in some way from the people surrounding them because of their language, otherwise its PSOC.

As for gossip: I guess it depends on your definition of "gossip". To me, if swearing a lot is part of somebody's public image, especially if it's a celebrity, mentioning the fact is not gossip, anymore than it's gossip to mention that a person is very tall or has red hair.

But nevermind - I won't miss the RL section of Sir Swears-a-Lot if it's removed. It's more that I think we're a wee bit too trigger-happy to make tropes NRLEP nowadays.

edited 6th Apr '17 12:41:02 PM by GnomeTitan

Alright, I have some objections to the Real Life examples in Gypsy Curse - namely, that they're perpetuating a harmful stereotype.

In addition, while not an actual example, the opening to the Hot Gypsy Woman mentions something for Real Life:

that I've been told isn't nearly so monolithic - it varies a great deal.

Thoughts on how to modify the pages?

RE: Gypsy Curse: Those don't even make sense in a RL folder, but a Folklore one. The second could probably be cut because it's essentially contradicting itself. Though, I guess it makes sense to include this in the next crowner anyway for "Stereotypes" or "Impossible in RL."

RE: Hot Gypsy Woman: That page is already NRLEP (since 2012). The troper added that line in 2013. I think it can be cut outright.

Alright then.

Shall I cut that aspect of the latter trope, then?

It's gone. I also fixed the pothole attached to the caption (it's Disney.The Hunchback Of Notre Dame, not Disney.TheHunchbackOfNotredame.)

edited 6th Apr '17 6:52:02 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Alright. So, what do we do about Gypsy Curse, then?

I say at least wait for the next crowner.

Ah.

Pardon my ignorance for how things work here, but when will that be?

As soon as all the open (unstruck) options are called. Then someone can make a fresh crowner and holler for a hook (and if there's overspill options, add them ahead of the hook and provide a courtesy link.) As of now, there are two options open. One is less than 20 minutes away from the 48 hour minimum and is over the 2:1 min ratio, but the other has a day or so to go yet (and is under 2:1 ATM as well.)

edited 6th Apr '17 7:25:20 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Alright.

How long does it take for options to be called?

See my above post (or the crowner blurb thingy). 48 hours since being added and announced in the thread, with 10+ total votes and a (stable) minimum 2:1 vote ratio to be made NRLEP (anything below that, say 1:63, gets counted as a keep consensus.)

edited 6th Apr '17 7:23:31 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Alright, thanks. I'm still a little confused, but I'll manage.

Edit: In that case, shouldn't Crack Defeat be stricken, then?

edited 6th Apr '17 7:28:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek

... I'm honestly not sure. The forums seem to have two timezones running (one for the initial post time, and another entirely for showing when edits are posted.) Not sure which one the troper who keeps up the crowner (Nohbody, iirc) uses.

edited 6th Apr '17 7:39:36 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

I use the server time, as shown in the crowner entry history, which is Pacific time zone (right now GMT -7, with Daylight Savings Time in effect). Also, that something isn't immediately called is hardly the end of the world.

Anyway, yeah Crack Defeat does look like it's up for NRLEP, as it's been at the current ratio since when I looked Thurs morning. Added 4th Apr '17 at 07:42:48 PM, 2.6:1 (18).

For the record, though, while I am usually the one that calls an entry to either keep or lose RL examples, it's not prohibited for others to make the appropriate call. Just make sure you (generic "you") add the item to the appropriate list for No Real Life Examples, Please! or Keep Real Life Examples depending on which applies, strikethrough the relevant crowner entry, and in the case of NRLEP nuke the RL examples on the trope page. Keep in mind that some times entries in RL sections may fit better elsewhere (f'rex in a book talking about an RL person/event, it would fit under the Literature category), and move them appropriately (though usually such get moved before being called, to help determine if there is an actual problem that requires crowner attention).

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• Sir Swears-a-Lot: Added 5th Apr '17 at 05:57:41 AM, 1.13:1 (17)

edited 6th Apr '17 9:17:48 PM by Nohbody

Thanks for the info.

Changed the folder on Gypsy Curse to Folklore.

The bit on Hot Gypsy Woman that was deleted matches my experience with them, but as with any culture, there are variations. The edit reason is completely wrong, though. That sentence doesn't fit No Lewdness, No Prudishness any way you cut it, and it is allowed to make references to the real life inspiration of the trope, as long as it's not in the form of an example, generic or not, or otherwise implicates the stereotype as being true.

Nothing Exciting Ever Happens Here currently has this note in its description:

There is no Real Life section, but I just removed a "Music" example that seemed like misuse ("places that weren't really on the radar" isn't really this trope at all). Perhaps it's time to consider the full NRLEP treatment for this one.

I'd say Nothing Exciting Ever Happens Here also has the problem of explicitly being a narrative trope, when RL doesn't have a narrative or creator to make one (theological debates aside ).

That said, calling Sir Swears-a-Lot to keep RL examples: Added 5th Apr '17 at 05:57:41 AM, 1.13:1 (17)

SSAL being called wraps up this crowner, so I've started Crowner 51, and in a moment will holler for unhooking Crowner 50 to replace it with 51. Once that's done feel free to add a crowner entry for any of the tropes that have been waiting for space in a crowner.

edited 7th Apr '17 10:56:23 AM by Nohbody