The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Links to NSFW are off limits, yeah.

The link needs to be cut, yeah, but there's no reason that the P5 can't follow it first.

I found the link to the comics...just a bunch of crudely-drawn explicit yaoi parodies. They are at bumwolf.com for P5 perusal.

I glossed through a couple of them last night, though not enough to get a feel for them. Nothing I saw so far suggested that it was worth keeping but that's based on a very small sample, enough to be statistically worthless.

Okay, we got another flag: Princess Hunting Dungeon Meister.

Apparently, it's a hentai game involving "lolis."

The blondie on the cover◊ is definitely a loli and the CG lists include her sex scenes.

edited 11th Nov '13 9:11:03 PM by Adannor

Well first off, that page shouldn't be under Roleplay. On topic, it appears to be dungeon crawler RPG, with sex scene involving various girls.

(The following links aren't particularly NSFW, but other parts of that site are.)

The main issue here is the main heroine, who has the most amount of sex scenes, looks like this. She's even explicitly said to be young and undeveloped. She can transform into adult forms, but her child form is the one with the most porn.

There's also another young looking characters with porn, here.

Oh, Himegari. Yeah, it violates our policy. It probably escaped notice due to not being translated.

Anyway, basically, main character is a demon lord or something and for one reason or another his most faithful servant is a succubus who looks about eight or so and probably actually is given that if you fulfill some requirement she can grow into a teenager or even an adult. In any case, she gets raped a lot, apparently.

Seems to me like even if it didn't have such young characters with sex scenes, it would've been banned simply on the grounds of it being "porn with an excuse plot", isn't it?

If somebody could play and figure out the plot. A Trope Page that was mostly zero context examples doesn't help.

Not that we need that in this case. It's a pedophile-pandering nightmare.

There's a wiki about the game, for those who want to know more about the gameplay: http://eushully.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_Hunting_Dungeon_Meister

Here's the wiki page about Lily (the loli succubus): http://eushully.wikia.com/wiki/Lily

Himegari: Not that I have a vote, but sounds like a page we can do with out.

edited 12th Nov '13 6:19:44 AM by Catbert

Two new flags:

• Fast Eddies IRL Name Is Gus Raley: Already handled on Ask The Tropers / the Cut List. I think we should point the flagging editor to Ask The Tropers before zapping, though.
• Ironwood: Was already reviewed and voted keep, on a 3-2 verdict. Again, messaging the editor would be a good idea.

I suspect that Ironwood will keep being flagged as long as the description describes it as a "pornographic comic book".

If we don't allow porn and Ironwood is allowed, then it must not be pornographic, therefore we should not describe it as such. If it is pornographic, then P5 messed up and should take a second look.

edited 16th Nov '13 4:47:29 AM by Catbert

We can't actually see who flagged what. Only mods.

...so edit it out? It did pass judgment, and I don't feel that it needs to be revisited, but that's just me.

Also: Princess hunter thingy has been resolved to cut.

edited 16th Nov '13 6:44:07 AM by tdgoodrich1

I've already requested for a moderator to message the tropers who sent in these two flags.

Just did so.

@Catbert: Something can be pornographic while still receiving a pass from the P5. I direct you to Fifty Shades of Grey.

Not by the way we are defining "porn".

I think you mean, something can be erotic, or have explicit sexual content and still be acceptable under our content policy. But if it is porn, it is not. It was decided that Fifty Shades of Grey is erotic literature, but not porn. Therefore we keep it, and our page on it does not describe it as pornography or pornographic.

edited 16th Nov '13 4:00:44 PM by Catbert

No. I think the standard set has been "pure porn," not just porn. Porn with Plot is, by definition, pornographic, but we've kept examples that fall under Porn with Plot because there's more to them than just porn. (Example: Anything by Type Moon.)

But we're probably quibbling over semantics here.

You are, and I follow both of you. You agree with one another, just not on terminology.

Then let me put it this way. It would be best if we use terms other than "pornography" or "pornographic" on pages pertaining to works we have deemed acceptable, in order to avoid confusion on the part of our general readership who may be familiar with our rules against porn but are not familiar with some of the nuances about how porny something should be before it is considered unacceptable. Otherwise you get people flagging pages in good faith that have already passed, as well as people getting the false impression that our policies are not being enforced.

@Catbert: I think that that would be disingenuous, since some of the works that pass are pornographic by any normal definition. Many of the works on this site are explicitly referred to as Porn with Plot on their trope pages.

So "because people might misunderstand our content policy, we should alter the wording used on tropes and works" is not a compelling argument for me. If we get bad flagging from time to time, the proper response is to zap the flag and send the troper who made the flag a canned PM saying "hey, we already checked that work, here's links to the reviewed works page, the rules page, and our forum."

I'd actually argue/agree that's a good compromise to make if it's going to keep things going smoother and prevent some false/uneeded flags.

Flagged Parallel Porn Titles, on the grounds of it serving no purpose except as an index of pornographic parodies that won't even get work pages here.

If this came up before, tell me.