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The scene is more Mind Screw-y to me, but, like Meeble, it's been a hell of a long time since I read IT.

Would 'IT' count as a main stream non-adult work?

Thought IT was a pretty mainstream, or at least american culturally well-known, horror novel.

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Ah yes, the infamous sex scene from the novel. While I don't think it's titillating, I could see why IT got flagged.

While don't mind you guys reviewing it, I do think IT should be kept. Just remove or clean up any mention of that one part, or if you must, make it about the TV movie only.

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IT is mainstream but on the other hand, do the rules ban all explicit kid sex or not?

Just don't get Do Not Do This Cool Thing about it . Certain works have this problem- PEDOPHILIA IS BAD! LOOK AT THESE NAKED KIDS.

edited 14th May '12 1:21:26 PM by animeg3282

Unless they are Played For "Yeah, that's what paedophiliac sex looks like. Look how awful and disgusting this is!"

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My high school library had IT, if that has any merit going toward a decision.

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There's no work of Stephen King that's out of the mainstream except Rage, and it's out of print because King wanted it so. It's been a long time since I read IT, but IIRC "that scene" in total takes up maybe 2 pages of a 800+ page novel, and is played as a weird kind of desperation Mind Screw bonding moment than anything.

edited 14th May '12 1:16:48 PM by Willbyr

More typical beach ep. fanservice, although in an Imagine Spot. Dumbass sister ran him over with a boat so as he's dying of oxygen deprivation he imagines that kind of scene involving an octopus (genitals are censored, of course). Again, nothing cutworthy, just run-of-the-mill fanservice. Shoulda put the guy out of my misery.

On now to ep. 8 of Onii Koto.

Update: More of the same, just with class rep thrown in the mix. Verdict to follow after ep. is over.

edited 14th May '12 1:33:36 PM by tdgoodrich1

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The scene in It is very obviously intended to be creepy and not arousing, but I could see removing any mention of it anyhow. The work itself is between 800-1200 pages long, depending on your edition, and that whole scene is about 2-3 pages out of all of it, and barely coherent as it is.

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It's essentially just another god-awful not-quite-incest ecchi comedy (and I use that term very loosely here). Nothing happens to justify cutlisting it; so long as the page stays clean it can stay. Also don't like the character designs at all, not that that is relevant.

Nope.

edited 14th May '12 1:49:38 PM by tdgoodrich1

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen

Believe me, if you read it, you'd feel the same.

Anyways, yeah, chiming in to say that after reading up to the latest, the manga's pretty much just more of the same, just more explicit in its pandering. It's a keep-and-clean too.

edited 14th May '12 2:08:27 PM by Raidouthe21st

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The Moe page needs a major cleanup effort for natter, gushing, and some creepiness here and there. Personally, I'd even be for making it definition only - do we really NEED a list of "every anime character someone finds cute or finds as Poor Man's Lolicon?"

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Definition only sounds good to me.

Definition only is fine, but I support that because I think it's just too common rather than because it's creepy. Which it probably is, but I don't want to go read our article on the matter.

It could possibly still keep any examples where moe is discussed in-show, like Haruhi Suzumiya and Lucky Star.

I'd like to keep the trope codifers and ur examples but to snip the rest. Is that allowed?

Moe is kind of a hard concept to explain, and having the examples there I think really helps someone go "Oh, so that's what they're talking about." It probably could definitely use some cleaning and a bit of a trim though.

IT is fine. I thought we already had this conversation a long time ago. I'm tempted to zap it from the voting tool for being added in bad faith, but I know some people around here can't distinguish between Kn J and Lolita, so I'll give the flag the benefit of the doubt and just give it an angel.

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Has it been discussed already? I was about to make a thread to ask for P5 opinions, but if this is something that's been covered before I got on the panel I don't want to force us to rehash old territory.

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I believe our thing was that 2/800-1000 pages is similar to the sexual content in A Song of Ice and Fire - definitely not enough to invalidate the whole work given its cultural importance. Also, the orgy of twelve-year-olds is portrayed as totally freaking ridiculous and is a deliberate Mind Screw, from what I remember.

Also, I just checked, and it hasn't even been flagged. But anyway, we did indeed have this discussion and nobody who wasn't throwing strawmen actually thought it was the kind of thing we need to cut, like Largo Quagmire said. I don't see the need for any further discussion of the work.

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Pages Pending for Perusal was where I saw it, just so you know.

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