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Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki:

 176 Septimus Heap, Wed, 25th Jul '12 4:26:39 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
[up][up]Viewers Are Goldfish is in TRS because of these issues. Maybe Viewers Are Morons needs the same treatment.

 177 RJ Savoy, Fri, 27th Jul '12 2:33:20 PM from Edinburgh Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Reymmă
Having taken a look at the examples in Viewers Are Morons, it seems to me to have a lot of overlap with the Goldfish entry and Show, Don't Tell. A lot of other examples are not cases of assuming the audience are idiots, but rather that they don't have knowledge of a certain topic. And I know it's annoying for those in the know to have to wait through exposition of the topic, but it's necessary in a show that will go out across an entire nation and possibly beyond, and wants to be for the masses (which need not be for purely commercial reasons, or be accompanied by genuine dumbing down).

It's in need of help, but I'm not sure what to do. Examples that could stay are The Emperor's New Groove (sort-of in-universe), Yu-Gi-Oh! (the America dub makes things more evident that the original), and the various guidelines for developers and laws for advertisers that state how much things should be explained.

(Forgive me for a personal note, it's just that one seems to me outright wrong, the World of Warcraft example. The devs weren't assuming players are incapable of learning a new rotation, they are fighting against the idea that if one spec does a few percent more damage on logs of the best players you should switch to it or you're gimping your raid. Actually most players do best in the spec they are most comfortable with and bandwagon switching is more likely to hurt your performance.)
 178 Fighteer, Tue, 31st Jul '12 1:21:45 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Documentary Of Lies has some problems, mainly that its purpose appears to be Schmuck Bait for bashing things. I see no value in keeping examples that are not parodies or In-Universe.

Specifically, we aren't here to adjudicate or appear to adjudicate the truth or falsehood of a work. We care about the tropes being employed. This article makes it look like the wiki is taking a stance in the matter.

edited 31st Jul '12 1:23:34 PM by Fighteer

Neoclassicism, AKA the Tinkerbell school of economics.
 179 Septimus Heap, Tue, 31st Jul '12 1:31:39 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Yeah, as currently written it comes off like an Audience Reaction.

Narrowing it would come off to TRS business, however.

Here is one

edited 31st Jul '12 2:48:51 PM by SeptimusHeap

Critical Annoyance desperately needs a hose-down.

 181 Septimus Heap, Thu, 2nd Aug '12 2:57:41 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Scrappy Ship YKTTW. I don't want to hear about the tropology argument anymore that is cropping up at the bottom, but it seems to be complainy.

 182 nrjxll, Thu, 2nd Aug '12 3:49:08 PM Relationship Status: Not war
A "Scrappy" subtrope plus shipping?

DO NOT WANT.

 183 Akagikiba 2, Thu, 2nd Aug '12 11:16:57 PM from The TV Tropes Forums
Scallywag
I've asked about if critical reception belonged in a work's description, but how about commercial reception?

 184 Septimus Heap, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 12:42:14 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
I don't think that there is a difference between commercial reception and work reception.

 185 Nohbody, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 7:05:19 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
^ That's not what ^^ said. Critics can like or dislike (critical reception) a film independent of how much money it makes (commercial reception). F'rex, how much did Avatar make, compared to what critics thought of it outside the visuals?

(Or going further back, the 1998 Tristar Godzilla.)

edited 3rd Aug '12 7:06:13 AM by Nohbody

 186 Septimus Heap, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 7:18:15 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Commercial reception at best is trivia. It should go to the trivia tab.

 187 Deboss, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 10:10:14 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
No, Septimus is right. How a work was received means jackshit for the work page. I think it falls under trivia. Or possibly audience reaction. Don't know.
 188 Septimus Heap, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 10:13:16 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
"Critical reception" is subjective as it is a "critic's" opinion. "Commercial reception" is a thing of the box office and trivia.

 189 Deboss, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 10:17:53 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
The reaction of the audience of handing over money was the angle I was thinking of.
 190 Isaac Sapphire, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 1:25:11 PM from North of the Moon
The main page and especially the YMMV page for Black Jewels seems to have been half written by someone who disliked the series. I'm a really big fan and I don't want to go in there bonking heads because someone said something negative about one of my favorite series, so I was hoping someone with less of an agenda could take a look at it.

 191 Septimus Heap, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 1:33:30 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Which pages? My connection currently isn't friend of lacking courtesy links.

 192 Deboss, Fri, 3rd Aug '12 6:32:31 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Black Jewels I think.
^_^
The main Kamen Rider Hibiki page has a really long rant about how the end-of-show retool was horrible and how Executives should all die in a fire, should I chainsaw it?

edited 4th Aug '12 12:13:13 AM by fourteenwings

Terradorablyfying
I axed the bottom two paragraphs of the description; they really didn't belong there.

I prefer axes to chainsaws. Far less noisy.tongue

edited 4th Aug '12 12:47:31 AM by Telcontar

Merge those duplicates! Fix that factual error! Delete that shoehorned non-example! You have the power! Meta Four
 195 Septimus Heap, Sat, 4th Aug '12 1:04:50 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
The last part of the description there can safely go away for being a review in the main page.

The description of Shadow War Of Succession was a rant about how horrible it was, and I cut most of it. Some of it went to Horrible.Video Games, where it was already listed.

Transplanted Character Fic <—really? Permission to snip some of the complaining from the description?

Ecce Homo Superior
[up]I certainly won't mind.
(it's David Bowie)
 199 jkbeta, Tue, 7th Aug '12 4:43:07 AM from right behind you Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
[up][up] *hands animeg a pair of hedge trimmers* go ahead.

Thanks. I hope I didn't mess it up.

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