What to do, what to do.
This isn't actually about the main page, it's about the subpages, but I couldn't link to all of them in the title (and since I'm apparently not allowed to write my own title now, deal with it). We fixed Ensemble Darkhorse
, Nightmare Fuel
was somewhat fixed
, but they're far from the only subpages that were utter atrocities. The other pages we are going to talk about today are the ones on moments of funny, heartwarming, awesome and tear jerker.
Because this is why those pages have problems.
: Alright, this one was already cleaned up a bit, which was good. But it probably needs more work. The fact that Iron Will is actually listed as being Nightmare Fuel
should be proof enough of that. Though what to do about the trope Nightmare Fuel
in general seems to be a current discussion, so we should probably wait until that is all done until we can really fix this one.
: Lists practically everything that doesn't go on the other pages, and in some cases, things that are on the other pages too. So, everything. In every episode. Because it's a cartoon that is meant to be funny.
: Lists anything even remotely possible to interpret as heartwarming. Also, any time one character is nice to another character. In a show where a central theme is friendship.
: Lists any accomplishment by any character.
: Lists anything that could be interpreted as sad or otherwise touching in any way.
Yes, we got rid of the "Crowning" part of these trope names long ago, but I'm seeing a problem when, just how the Ensemble Darkhorse
page once listed pretty much every single goddamned character in the show including unnamed background characters, the Moment pages together list essentially every single goddamned scene in the entire show. That seriously can't be what they're intended for. I'm not saying there's no legit examples in there, I saw a few I'd agree has a place on their respective pages.
But there's serious fixing needed here. For starters, my idea for the Awesome page is to list by character rather than episode, and keep the number reasonably low. Main characters get a few more than secondary characters, and one-episode characters should, if they get any at all, really not have more than one (oh, the bitching about Daring Do I'm going to unleash by suggesting that...) per character. That's not quite applicable to the other moment pages, though.
In general, like with the Ensemble Darkhorse
page, things need comparing with each other, not just "this is a moment" and "this is also a moment". I'd find examples of what I mean but the Heartwarming page makes my head hurt. All these pages do but when the first entry is "Any time Apple Bloom says anything", my brain just sort of gave up on trying to find anything meaningful on the page. It's the listing per episode that needs to go in general, I think - episode listings just makes people find the one or two or three or more moments per episode that you could potentially call a moment of foo, comparing them to that episode only (if they even do that much critical thinking when listing things), when what we need to do is compare all moments to all other moments in the whole series.
So let's talk about this and try to figure out what we in general can do to make these pages suck less.
(And, just to note, since I noticed I was briefly accused of it in the main Fi M
thread back when I wanted to destroy the Ensemble Darkhorse
subpage: No, I'm not a pony hater. I'm doing this because
I'm a pony fan. If I didn't like the show, I wouldn't want to touch any of these pages with a ten foot pole.)
edited 11th Mar '12 6:44:44 AM by KennyMan666