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Misused (YKTTW name crowner): Heroes Prefer Swords get usage counts

lu127 took the lead for a while, but haven't done anything yet, and most of the discussion has been here for a while. I prefer to not do any editing of anyone else's YKTTW, I think it's better to have a clear lead in making those changes.

Yeah, the description could be improved and could be made more TV Tropey, but I think it's an improvement over the old one. And what it shows is a basic of the historical background of why swords are considered heroic. Or is it anything in particular you're thinking about?

OK, how to do this? We currently have Swords Are Heroic in YKTTW, and speaking strictly for myself, it's in more than ready for launch - it's in much better shape now than many launched articles have ever been: a good, clear description that elaborates the trope, and lots of quality examples. It also has four hats.

On the other hand, the crowner here pretty much calls for Heroes Prefer Swords, but switching trope name would also mean a lot of work adapting our current description and examples to the differences between the two tropes.

 203 lu 127, Mon, 16th Jul '12 7:10:41 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Hm? All we need to do is blank Heroes Prefer Swords as it is and copy paste the source of the YKTTW on the blanked page. And then clean the wicks.
小さく揺れた向日葵
 204 ccoa, Mon, 16th Jul '12 7:24:03 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Calling crowner in favor of Heroes Prefer Swords.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 205 lu 127, Mon, 16th Jul '12 2:53:38 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
YKTTW launched. Content of Heroes Prefer Swords replaced. Swords Are Heroic has been made a redirect. Note on the discussion page made.

Next up is wick cleanup.

Also, we need to check if the quotes, laconic and Playing With entries correspond to the new page.

edited 16th Jul '12 2:55:06 PM by lu127

小さく揺れた向日葵
 206 ccoa, Tue, 14th Aug '12 8:14:51 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Could really use name suggestions on the YKTTW here. None of the names on the crowner are particularly popular.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 207 Cider, Tue, 23rd Oct '12 10:49:10 AM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
I wish I had stayed with this conversation. But don't take my word for it, look at the page! We had a trope about "heroic" character using swords when it made little sense too and now we have a page that does not resemble it in the slightest due to a completely imagined case of misuse.

This new page is so unlike the old one that hardly any of the old examples even fit anymore. If you all wanted a new trope page why not make a new one and leave the perfectly serviceable one alone? Take Hollywood tactics.

The two cutscenes of Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn that show actual wars being waged are both utterly ridiculous instances of Gameplay and Story Segregation, considering that using cavalry, infantry and archers/mages correctly is kind of the whole point of the series. Instead, Begnion's greatest commander has... one million-man box - no divisions or formation, just a box - of spearmen, plus himself, who has a sword. All of them are on foot. When they engage the laguz, it turns into an enormous brawl, with everyone spreading out to dance around ineffectively at each other
That in itself would be a great example of hero brandishing a sword impractically for an unneeded reason without even being an anachronism such as "heroes" using swords in priority over available working guns, though that also would have been an example of what the trope once was.(shooting someone is barbaric but cutting them into pieces is more sophisticated)

No really, I motion to change this page back to the way it was before. Rename it maybe, this new trope page can keep its name but it is not an adequate replacement. The repair shop just broke something that did not need fixing. The point of heroes prefer swords was that the weapons is so romanticized and overused in fiction it keeps getting used in ways it really shouldn't be because of its traditional use by heroes.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
 208 Macron Notes, Tue, 5th Feb '13 10:37:55 AM Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
So, the next thing is to do is to clean up the wicks for Heroes Prefer Swords and check the subpages, right? Also, are we still waiting for this YKTTW?

edited 5th Feb '13 10:38:11 AM by MacronNotes

 209 Septimus Heap, Tue, 5th Feb '13 10:38:55 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yeah, basically.

 210 Septimus Heap, Sun, 10th Feb '13 3:18:11 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Started with A-B. Now did A-D.

Did E-F as well.

Did G-J.

K-M now done.

N-Q done.

Now T. R-S too.

Done with U-Z.

edited 11th Feb '13 9:42:45 AM by SeptimusHeap

 211 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 10:16:36 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Bumping this. Can we get help on the YKTTW?

 212 Septimus Heap, Sat, 11th May '13 4:16:23 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
OK. Since the YKTTW isn't moving in terms of name-choosing, I'll ask for its crowner to be attached here so that it can be resolved.

 213 Willbyr, Sat, 25th May '13 7:01:44 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Crowners are swapped. I added Potent Antique Weapon to the crowner...a lot of these titles are really clunky.

edited 25th May '13 7:06:31 AM by Willbyr

 214 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Jun '13 2:43:55 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Bumping this. Shall we call this.

 215 StarSword, Wed, 19th Jun '13 9:53:10 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
I'd be inclined to call. Also, any objections to me taking over the YKTTW and finishing it?
 216 Septimus Heap, Wed, 19th Jun '13 9:54:42 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
You'll need to get this thing called first.

 217 StarSword, Wed, 19th Jun '13 9:58:01 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
[up]Not so much talking about the title as I am the text and examples.

edited 19th Jun '13 9:58:15 AM by StarSword

 218 Septimus Heap, Wed, 19th Jun '13 10:00:06 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yeah, you can do so.

 219 StarSword, Wed, 19th Jun '13 11:26:23 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Ok, I rolled in the examples and added a page picture and quote.
 220 Madrugada, Fri, 21st Jun '13 1:58:58 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Calling the crowner, although it could be argued that there's not a clear consensus, since Archaic Weapon for an Advanced Age has a higher total number of votes at +7 (yeas:13 nays:7) but a lower ratio of approval, at 2.00 : 1 than the next highest, Still Using Swords, at +4 (yeas:7 nays:3) but an approval ratio of 2.33 : 1.

I'm going to make an admin-decision and say "Archaic Weapon for an Advanced Age wins.

Go ahead and make the changes in the wiki; I've locked the crowner and starred the thread.

edited 21st Jun '13 1:59:04 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 221 Septimus Heap, Fri, 21st Jun '13 2:03:11 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Huh? Did someone accidentally lock the thread?

 222 Madrugada, Fri, 21st Jun '13 3:05:16 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Yeah, Oooops. I've resurrected it from the morgue. It was beating on the inside of the refrigerator door and screaming, poor thing...tongue.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 223 Septimus Heap, Fri, 21st Jun '13 3:08:42 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
So that's why it's so cold here...

Anyhow, the only thing left is launching, crossreferencing and crosswicking the YKTTW under the name selected by the crowner. I'll do that tomorrow, too.

 224 StarSword, Fri, 21st Jun '13 3:32:37 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Actually, is it all right if I go ahead and do it?
 225 Septimus Heap, Fri, 21st Jun '13 3:47:22 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yes. Remember to add a note on the discussion page of Heroes Prefer Swords that this thread changed its definition.

Alternative Titles: Deprecated Weapon YKTTW
21st Jun '12 9:21:06 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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