General Star Wars Thread

Quite. Chirrut has the potential to become a Jedi, but that potential is wasted in a galaxy without Jedi. It's kind of the point of him as a character, really. He represents the cost of the Purge.

I've been reading the Thrawn trilogy again, and now whenever I get to the bit about the Spaarti cloning technology, all I can hear is a smarmy British voice saying "Garrison Boost bonus, activated".

I have no idea what that's a reference to.

Battlefront 2, maybe?

That's exactly it XD. My Star Wars media have corrupted each other

Yeah, I figured because I was thinking "Wait, in Battlefront 2's Galactic Conquest mode you could get a bonus that gave you reinforcements at a point during the battle"

Great, now I'm gonna be speculating which bonuses the armies used in the film battles.

Yavin: Empire has enhanced blasters and auto-turrets, Rebels have a leader (Luke).

Hoth: Rebels have auto-turrets, Empire has garrison, enhanced blasters and a leader (Vader).

Endor: Empire has garrison, Rebels have a leader (Han).

Conclusion: Side with an active leader tends to win. Pretty accurate to the game, in my experience.

Anyone wanna do the prequels?

I would say...

Naboo: Naboo side has Leader (Obi-Wan), Advanced Blasters, while Trade Federation has Garrison Bonus.

Geonosis: Republic has Garrison, Leader (Windu, Obi-Wan, Yoda) and enhanced blasters while Separatists have Reinforcements, and Leader (Dooku, Jango Fett).

How does Darth Maul fit in that? "Assassin"?

Also don't forget Poggle the Lesser the one true hero of hype.

Maul counts as Leader. There was no Assassin in the games. Not even an Assassin class. Closest you got were the commando classes.

Gunray would probably object to Maul being the leader... but then again, who cares what Gunray thinks?

Gunray doesn't fight. He cowers and orders others to do it. That might work in politics, but in video games the playable leader always does so by example with the best weapons. Maul leads, Gunray steps aside.

What about the Senate?

That'd be Palpatine.

Pretty sure there's at least one level where Palpatine is the Leader you could summon.

Civil War Era Coruscant.

I think everyone had at least two, but I don't remember what Palpatine's second was.

I think it's the Death Star.

Maul would be an Assassin in KOTOR 2, with Vader as Marauder and Palpatine and Dooky as Lords. Mace is a Knight, Obi-Wan is a Watchman and Yoda is a Master.

My rig's not good enough for the new Battlefront, so I gotta ask - does it at least keep the fire going? Used to be a time you couldn't turn around without a new big game coming out. Ever since the buy-out, there's a serious drought aside from the mobile market. At least the Jedi Academy servers are still running; game is tied with Freelancer for best case of old-school action still getting mods and fan support nearly fifteen years after release.

It's not on Steam, so I have no idea. It looks pretty, for sure though.

Idea:

If Kylo Ren's redeemed in Episode IX, I kind of want him to voluntarily surrender himself to the victorious New Republic as a war criminal. His last scene is one of ambiguity and uncertainty as his trial is upcoming, and neither he nor we know how he will be sentenced. I prefer this because it would give the more constructive message that spiritual absolution of sin doesn't mean you are free from responsibility for your actions.

Like, he turns back to the light side, helps defeat Snoke, reconciles with Luke, helps Rey rebuild the Jedi...and still has to answer for his extermination of the Jedi, the murder of his father, and abetting the killing of billions of people in an act of terrorism. Kind of like saying that sins can be forgiven, but crimes require punishment. It would also be metatextually significant, since it gives the Vader archetype the judgment by secular authority that was missing at the end of ROTJ, and what caused so many problems in both EU continuities.

It would also be a more original fourth option to the three most common redemption arcs:
1.) Death
2.) Easily Forgiven
3.) Wandering Knight Errant atoning for sins but rejected by society.

edited 30th Mar '17 10:09:18 AM by CrimsonZephyr

I'm still not convinced that Kylo Ren needs or is going to (or should) get a redemption arc, but hey, that would be interesting.

edited 30th Mar '17 10:16:41 AM by higherbrainpattern

I mean, redemption is one of Star Wars's central themes, and Kylo Ren's rap sheet is way thinner than Vader's was. I mean, Vader murdered a room full of children, led a pogrom against his own kind, spent twenty years committing genocide against the rest of the Jedi, and choked his own pregnant wife to the brink of death and she later dies. He still came back to the light side, though the sheer cruelty he shows in ROTS makes that somewhat undermined. I'm just rather skeevy on the idea that Vader, one of the most monstrous individuals to ever live in the Star Wars canon, is somehow more deserving of redemption than Kylo.

I would prefer that moral context guide what happens to Ren, rather than a focus group-ish "what haven't they seen before?" kind of plot development.

Vader only came back to the light side for the sake of saving Luke from being fried with Force Lightning. The rest of the galaxy still hates and fears Vader. His cruelty and his horrible deeds haven't been forgotten or forgiven in current canon.

And honestly, Kylo's actions are just as bad as Vader's. He killed his fair share of Jedi as well, slaughters innocent villagers on Jakku, tortures Poe, kidnaps/mind rapes/torture Rey, commits patricide, etc, and is complicit in the destruction of an entire star system.

edited 30th Mar '17 10:41:16 AM by higherbrainpattern

The idea of reality ensuing and a repentant villain still being arrested is a good one, yeah.

Since when?

Sure, Luke redeemed Vader, but he's kind of the exception. Tarkin, Jabba, and Palpatine? F*ckers died like f*ckers do. So did every villain in the prequels.

And even Vader was only redeemed under a really loose definition of redemption. And then died. Like f*ckers do.

edited 30th Mar '17 11:33:42 AM by TobiasDrake