General Star Wars Thread

It's actually really hard to compare the two series besides the premise. They're two VERY different styles in almost every way. Tartakovsky's, as said, emphasizes action and style while the CGI series focuses on characters and plot and they both do their job spectacularly. That being said, Tartakovsky has a better Grievous and CGI has a better Ventress.

edited 21st Oct '15 11:55:00 AM by LordVatek

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Tartakovsky is a master of maximizing action to convey character and story, but the Clone Wars series was simply too short in episode length (season one episodes were 5 minutes long, season two segments were 10) to convey much of anything except distinctive and dynamic battles. The Person of Mass Destruction action was a lot of fun but makes it difficult to tell more nuanced stories. The four part Umbara arc in The Clone Wars CG series is an interesting comparison, as the action is similarly insane but being able to spread the story over so many parts really put a spotlight on the characters (In this case it was multiple clone troopers, all voiced by Dee Bradley Baker).

I gotta admit, what I've seen of the CGI in TCW is...not appealing. If the writing and stuff is as solid as you guys say, I can look passed that though.

Also I forgot about what they did to Jango.

Oddly, I have absolutely zero interest in Episode 7 but my old SW sentimentalities are kicking up. It's been a long time since I read an SW comic or book and I feel a strong desire to do both. There's a lot of tie-in stuff with the original CW. I totally forgot Anakin got that scar he has in the movie from a comic. A comic that never happened now, apparently so god knows where the scar came from.

I remember hearing a lot of praise for the KOTOR comics back in the day. God it's been so many years since I read Legacy. Where does the time go.

Did you know George Lucas began Episode II's script with the subtitle "Jar Jar's Great Adventure"? If that isn't an example of a Trolling Creator, I don't know what is.

Oh I've known that ever since I saw that picture of him wearing a Han Shot First t-shirt.

Admittedly the overall quality of seasons 1 & 2 of TCW leaves a fair bit to desire. Season 3 is where things start to pick up and transition from the mediocre-to-good first two seasons into the God-tier seasons 4,5, and 6.

The radiating nature of Liam Neeson's awesomeness is probably related.

edited 22nd Oct '15 12:29:33 AM by TheAirman

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BS. Season 1 and 2 are exactly as good as the rest. Just because they're light-hearted compared to the rest it doesn't mean they're weaker. You and many others might like the more intense stuff better, and I respect that, but don't say stuff like "it leaves a fair bit to be desired" as if it was an objective truth. Sure there were a couple of lame episodes early-on, but I for one think, that Season 5 had more than the four previous seasons combined, and each of those far worse than the worst of the early episodes.

I'm not talking about lightheartedness vs intensity. All of the seasons had plenty of both, and one of my favorite arcs is the R2 and C-3PO arcs.

I'm talking about the quality of the animation amd writing, which I felt noticeably improved over time, and animation is what Nikkolas was specifically talking about.

edited 22nd Oct '15 1:33:57 AM by TheAirman

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I would say the strongest overall episodes are in the fourth, fifth and sixth seasons. Earlier seasons had their good episodes, even great ones, but their weaker episodes stood out by being formulaic or just plain boring. The Malevolence Arc, for example, has most of the drama of the first two episodes be about waiting for the action and gives you about 30 seconds of payoff. Whereas even the most disliked story arc of later seasons, Colonel Gascon, had a fairly snappy pace.

And a big case in point is that Ahsoka was really difficult to like in the first two seasons and was Rescued from the Scrappy Heap starting in about the third season (the costume change in the second half is actually a really good point of reference).

I think writing was actually better early-on. Because the first two parts of the Malevolence-arc wasn't so action-heavy, they could build-up a great athmosphere, and squuzed-in a fair bit of characterisation (I remember when those clone pilots died in the second part, I was shocked, because somehow they managed to make feel like I've known those guys for a long time, despite showing-up in that episode for the first time). And what do you mean the Gascon-arc had a "fairly snappy pace"? To me it felt like it dragged-on for ever, and not even watching the episodes back-to-back on DVD changed that.

I also enjoyed Ahsoka's character far more in Season 1 and 2 than in later seasons. I still liked her, but she just wasn't as endearing and entertaining starting from Season 4.

To each their own, I suppose.

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I'm just glad that they stopped having Ashoka call Anakin "Sky-guy" really early on.

Early Ahsoka was full of Narm in general. The natural downside of having a distinct Kid-Appeal Character in a show already geared towards a young audience.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

Random question, but does anyone know the context for Lucas's "It's like poetry" quote? I've heard people often make fun of him for saying this, but not knowing under what context it was said I'm not sure why it's worthy of mockery.

I'm not sure exactly what quote you're talking about, but it sounds like something he said on the Episode 1 features about parallel action. Elements repeat in cadences, stanzas, chorus and codas. Luke blew up the Death Star, Anakin destroyed the Trade Federation capital ship. Luke lost his hand, Anakin lost his hand. Things like that. Obnoxious fans snark that he ran out of ideas but artistically it is a perfectly valid storytelling method, especially since a good portion of the story became about that Luke is Not So Different from his father.

No, Anakin lost his whole arm.

Well, half an arm. Still sucks.

My various fanfics.

He lost an extra 6 inches of his forearm, it wasn't cut off from the shoulder. It's roughly the same injury and prosthetic, while not exactly the same.

I think Lucas was talking about how the Prequels mirror (or try to, at least) the Original Trilogy and use imagery full of CallBacks to the original movies when he says that "it's like poetry."

edited 22nd Oct '15 12:19:12 PM by higherbrainpattern

I think you guys are talking about this

And some of these I didn't know about until I watched it. I kinda dig this.

My five favorite ones:

The scene where Anakin and Vader watch Mace and Luke being electrocuted by Palpatine and do the exact same head-turn. Anakin doesn't try to stop Mace's death and turns into Vader. Vader stops Luke from dying and turns back into Anakin again.

Episode 1 ending with Anakin watching Qui Gon Jin being cremated and the episode 6 ends with Luke watching Anakin being cremated.

Luke and Anakin do the exact same kick that back-flips Vader and Count Dooku down a level. Basically all the echoes between Count Dooku's and Anakin's fight and Luke and Vader's fight.

Anakin and Padme's funeral. Anakin is burning among the flames while Padme looks angelic and cold in death.

The chair-swivel Palps does when Mace Windu and group enter the Chancellor's room beginning the destruction of the Jedi Order and the chair swivel he does when Luke and Vader enter the Death Star's throne room beginning the destruction of the Sith.

edited 22nd Oct '15 12:21:38 PM by MadSkillz

"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."

I think she actually did it only twice: once in the movie, and once in the Director's Cut of Shadow of Malevolence, but not in the aired episode.

Yup, it's one of those character "traits" that's wildly flanderized by the fandom. It's very much a fleeting and superficial aspect of Ahsoka's character, but it's held as an enduring mark against her by anti-TCW folks.

Regardless it was a terrible aspect of her character that I'm glad they got rid of. Lax master-student relationship or not you don't call your Master nicknames. Anakin is perfectly allowed to call her Snips, though.

Anakin used to be quite cheeky towards Obi-Wan himself, you know.

Regardless he still called him "Master" and didn't try and be Bruck and call him "Oafy-Wan" or something like that.