He married Antiope in Perez run if I recall correctly. Don't remember anything else though.
Grevioux Explores Themyscira Pre-Wonder Woman in Odyssey of the Amazons
http://www.cbr.com/dc-comics-kevin-grevioux-wonder-woman-odyssey-amazons/
On the subject of how to do Amazon society, I'd kind of start with Mount Olympus. If the Olympians are to exist, there needs to be some reason mortal mountain climbers can't just crawl into their hangout. Then I'd apply that to the rest, why aren't more sailors coming to Circe's island, to Calypso's? Why aren't more miners digging into Hades, to Tartarus? It's not a realm of gods like the others but is under the protection of Ares of Olympus, so the same justification would go to Themyscira of the Amazons; you generally don't come across it unless you know what you're doing or someone wants you to.
The amazons would be fairly knowledgeable and advanced, but live without most of the comforts of modern wealth and not know much about the modern world. They'd never have taken up steam, or gas, or gun powder, they wouldn't make much use of electricity but they would be keeping up with manually powered mechanisms and be able to equal conveniences like refrigeration and modern plumbing by using magical substitutes or invoking godly blessings, when necessary.
One of the conditions for their blessings would be acting as the first line of defense against "Doom's Doorway"(because the gods have better things to do). This would be the origin of their focus on violence and warfare, which lead to frequent training and hunting in an effort to keep sharp. They'd rarely actually go to war but as incursion from the the Door became increasingly rare they sometimes took to taking out their aggression on other societies, perceived necessity or greed sometimes playing a role. Gargareans would be the most frequent target of their aggression, even after they were nominally made subordinate to Themyscira, with staying sharp again being the justification. Gargareans would not actually interact with Amazons very much, though, out of the latter's desire to stay away from men. The superstition being society would be made too weak to maintain their god given duties by the corrupting influence of men, with oppression, annihilation or separation being the only options, the Amazons preferring separation, allowing no men on the island.
They'd have historically made war on the neighboring female societies too, sometimes defensively for the door's sake, often times not. But through the ages they would takes these women into their own ranks and become the sworn protectors of surrounding naiad and dryad populations, who resisted integration but became the amazon's primary trading partners.
Amazons would be almost universally homosexual. Any sisters who happen to be cursed with heterosexual urges being encouraged to suppress such feelings. The amazons would be human physically, but blessed with extremely long lifespans that could be restored nigh indefinitely so long as they periodically performed rights to extend those blessings. Death from injury would not be inherently protected from, childbirth would still be possible. The killing of unsatisfactory babies would have been the original custom in more war heavy days, with extended times of peace softening them to simply kill the male babies, and then to simply offer the unwanted males to one of their society's gods, the naiads, dryads, Circe, Hephastes, The Gargareans or any other convenient party.
Their chief god would be Ares, a bit of a Fake Ultimate Hero as they would be ignorant of or excuse away his excessive brutality, defeats and cowardice. Their chief goddess Aphrodite, from whom they would claim their noble traits of sisterhood and protection, as well as curbing the blood lust Ares would otherwise inspire while also ignoring her less commendable moments. Lesser deities to visit would be Enyo(war goddess more capable but less active than Ares), Harmonia(more moral but less active than Aphrodite), Adrestia(revenge...and balance), Alala(war cries), Phobos(fear) and Deimos(terror). The Erotes and Eris would be troublemakers barred by Ares, who could go Papa Wolf in some regards.
Why they can tolerate so many male deities while pushing out men would be cheerily ignored or met with logical fallacies. If someone pried the answer always comes down to these gods provide blessings, though the amazons want to create the illusion that they venerate these gods simply for the sake of doing so, to the point some have started to believe it.
Adoption would be an option for amazons, which would lead to Diana's presence. Daughter of Cottus and mortal mother slain in war stirred up by Ares, saved from Hades by Hipollyta to placate Cottus, who had come up from Tartarus to beat up Ares and Thanatos, the latter having taken mom down to Hades and was in the process of taking his daughter. Diana's dislike of Themyscira would mostly come down to their being few amazons her own age, preferring her own parents to Hipollyta and a reluctance to venerate most of their gods. Unfortunately, her dad spends most of his time guarding Tartarus and all that's left of her mom is a shade, so they both insist that it's for the best. Most of the early stories would deal with Diana coming to respect the amazons but remaining an independent spirit who never becomes too attached to the island, while Hippolyta would be coming to love her adopted daughter, but becoming increasingly smothering as she did so, finding Diana too rebellious and too reliant on the abilities derived from her parentage, needing to take training more seriously.
edited 29th Jan '17 8:06:16 AM by IndirectActiveTransport
Why would Ares be their chief God? He's the God of senseless war and slaughter. Athena makes more sense as the Goddess who encourages strategic war as well as being a woman.
Because Ares is the father of the Amazon nation. As said, it would be a cheery bit of ignorance on how Ares acts away from their little Island paradise and avoidance of what wrongs they do know about him with some logical fallacies to hold it up, their own "Problem Of Evil".
The real problem is that the amazons weren't supposed to be an ideal nation. The point was that several scholarly Greeks recognized the fact that they did oppress women. That's why women were the protagonists of so many Athenian tragedies. The point with the amazons and gargareans is women would oppress men too, if given the chance, and life without women would be possible but not preferable. Marston wanted an idealized female society, which is fine, but why amazons? Besides them not being all that great society, basically a pastiche of Athens's rival Sparta, they weren't super human and didn't really have a winning record at combat, the one thing they were supposed to be good at.
But it's kind of too late to say he'd be better off going with Valkyries or using more of his own imagination instead of lifting from Grecoroman mythology, what's done is done. My idea would be simply to show that yes, most of what those boy lovers wrote about the amazons was about right, but things have changed since ancient times. They don't cut off boobs anymore, they have running water now, they don't kill babies now, they're less likely go to war for war's sake, and believe me, I've lived long enough to see some of that progress I thought impossble. If they can get better, so can you. Diana is eventually supposed to become a ambassador after all. And it's one thing to say my society is better than yours, it's another to say I see some room for improvement, here's what worked for us, and that's a good idea you have there, I'll be sure to take it back.
Keep in mind Ares was the bloodthirsty god of offensive war's brutality to most of Greece but he was the strategic god of the conqueror's brilliance to Rome. If he is the patron of the amazons and they are to be ultimately sympathetic, I can see him putting on a bit of a different face for them. Ultimately he's about bringing battle either way and is traditionally a villain in Wonder Woman comics besides, that's why he'd be ultimately responsible for the death of Wonder Woman's mother in my take, establishing from the start his more problematic traits. Ares would probably be my most reoccurring villain long term, because he'd be getting a kick out of chapter two of the Wonder Woman story, world war 2, and then preventing war one function of ambassadors.
All the same, I don't see why he can't have some positive traits, why he and Diana can't have a grudging truce when they're on the island of the amazons. She's still not venerating him or his repulsive children, except maybe Harmonia, but he's not causing much trouble on the island paradise so she picks and chooses her battles. There are plenty of other Jerk Ass Gods in Greek Mythology anyway, Eris would be the my go to choice when divine mayhem has to assault the amazons. Eris and Circe, because Circe is traditionally a Wonder Woman villain.
And part of Diana coming to accept being an amazon, since my version would be adopted, would be the amazon's long running partner Circe starting to throw more of her weight around. She's a goddess who thinks this group of mortals is getting too proud. Diana respects that the amazons stick to their guns(bows? you get the point) and she's not going to miss the chance to knock a goddess down a peg anyway since she knows she won't have to eat shit from the amazons later like if it was Enyo or Alala.
Besides that, Wonder Woman traditionally defeats Ares by forcing him to admit he's wrong with the magic lasso after finding out he's behind whatever latest depravity, since simply beating him up is a no no. That doesn't really sit right with me, because Ares isn't almighty in mythology. But if they do have something in common, a place where they can call a truce, it still allows for her to defeat him in that manner without the implication he just can't be defeated some other way. She just prefers to shame him into admitting his daughters wouldn't like what he's up to.
edited 29th Jan '17 12:26:47 PM by IndirectActiveTransport
The myths aren't consistent and change from person to person. Heracles gets used as a paragon of nobility in modern stories despite being anything but in the myths. And the Amazons haven't been perfect since the 80s they just aren't as horrible as the Greeks made them out to be. Why shouldn't the Amazons be good at combat if that is what a writer wants?
I didn't say they wouldn't be good at combat, nor did I say the myths are entirely consistent. I just said their is a constant theme in that Ares/Mars is the bringer of battle and that never are the amazons portrayed as super human. If they can be beaten by pre steam Athenians that doesn't necessarily mean they can't be portrayed as being able to beat much stronger enemies, but I think them all being able to flip tanks by believing in themselves is a bit much, and apparently so did most of the Silver Age and Post Crisis writers.
When adapting Greek mythology you have to either pick and choose or introduce some plot device to sort it all out. What I attempted to do was start at a particular place (a general picture of amazons from the Greek texts we have) and end at a particular place(an amazonian society that by most modern standards is better than ours in many ways).
I said if I was given the concept "Paragon from idealized society composed entirely of super human women" I wouldn't have chosen the amazons to begin with, but I'm not going to change that much since it's already established. At the same time, Zeus is still king, Ares is still god of war, Circe turns people into animals, amazons are warriors, it doesn't read like a radical over hall of classical mythology was really the intent, so I figure acknowledging and working in the source material more is a reasonable approach.
In the pre nu 52 comics themselves the amazons eventually come to integrate the gargareans into their society, so there is precedent for it still changing. I think establishing a timeline where amazon society goes from brutal war machine to isolated guardians to symbol of progress is also valid.
I think trying to stick as closely to a Marston approach as one could would be valid too, as would doing the television show, but it's not how I'd do it. I like the idea of the amazons continuing to venerate some of the most objectionable gods of the Greek pantheon while they move closer towards an otherwise ideal society. I like inherent contradictions in their very world view. I like Ares the dangerous but in some ways pathetic villain who also happens to be a doting father who would respect the choices of his patron nation so long as they were healthy. I like the idea of a good will ambassador and belligerent instigator god often working against one another being tied to the same place that they both want the best for. I don't like a virgin goddess being matron to a nation that traditionally is not prudish.
Okay and why shouldn't Wonder Woman read like an overhaul of the myths given how many popular works do that? Look how much mileage Tupe Moon got out of making King Arthur a woman for instance. Or how well Marvel was able to make a female Thor. And the Amazons didn't just worship Athena
That's a matter of debate.
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10 things DC wants you to forget about Wonder Woman
I didn't mean to imply Wonder Woman could never work that way, but that if that's the current intent then they are not doing a very good job, and really never have been. The post crisis, the silver age, the golden age, the television show, they certainly all had appeal, but their use of classical mythology really wasn't much of it. I think establishing narrative out of the mythology, writing up how it could develop into a similar to current day setting and applying it to Wonder Woman would be a lot more interesting.
I think "yeah, you were right about the Amazons in some ways, but they've changed since then, just like you have", is better than "you got it all wrong until now"...granted, Tropes Are Tools, it's possible for "all wrong" to be done well, but that's not and never has been what Wonder Woman did. The Olympians and their relatives are still physical gods, Hermes is still fast, Ares is still brutality of war, Zeus king, Aphrodite love, Gorgons petrifying to look at, etc. So why not brutal amazons, especially since they don't have to stay brutal amazons in the narrative, especially since they already did similar with Gargareans?
I think it'd be less jarring to just work in some of the records we have a little more solidly than to just try and force a reinterpretation when nothing of the sort was ever that well established...the monumental downgrading of Ahura Mazda aside(edit:I seriously wonder about what the motivate there was sometimes)
edited 10th Feb '17 11:22:13 PM by IndirectActiveTransport
Their use of classical myth may not have appealed to you but it certainly appealed to others or she wouldn't have had fans. As for why not brutal Amazons a) they weren't brutal in all myths and b) same reason no adaptation of Heracles is going to have him selling women as war prizes.
New Origin For The Trinity In Wonder Woman Annual#1
edited 11th Feb '17 2:01:59 AM by Zarius
Post crisis Hercules is a reformed rapist, which I think is another point to me, but whatever.
As of the Allan Heinberg reboot (circa 2006 or so), I think Herc went back to being flat-out evil.
Anyone played Injustice? Are there any main continuity versions of Wonder Woman that would actually join Superman's Regime? How do you think most versions would respond to the situation of Joker nuking a city and setting Superman down a dark path?
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No.
Probably just kill the Joker and then try to talk Superman out of becoming a tyrant.
Re: Mythology and Wonder Woman
There's a simple litmus test for Wonder Woman fans vs. Mythology fans as well as how I think it should be handled.
Ask every writer, "Do you think Wonder Woman should be closer to Greek mythology?"
If they answer yes, find another writer.
Wonder Woman is The Paragon and an embodiment of love, hope, charity, and good will. She is a person who comes from a community of equally wonderful people who are technologically advanced as well as having riding kangaroos. They are not the Amazons of Greek myth. They are not people who should be wrapped up in sleazy tales of hubris and greed. They are like the Asgardians of Marvel—where Thor is the chief god, Loki is his brother rather than uncle, Freya might as well not exist, and Sif is a warrior.
Re: Injustice
Wonder Woman is a Disney Princess in personality.
Specifically, Princess Leia.
She'd probably take Superman to the Underworld to speak to Lois, get some emotional closure, and temper his dark side.
Mind you, I fully believe Wonder Woman would be A-OK with most of Superman's early policies because they're sensible. Throwing the majority of Batman's Rogues gallery into a prison at the bottom of the ocean is better than Arkham.
edited 23rd Mar '18 9:40:42 AM by CharlesPhipps
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DC are pretty much of the mindset Diana and Clark is always a bad idea these days, Booster Gold learned them being together would lead to a bad future,there's the whole Injustice fiasco, and in Rebirth Diana admitted her feelings for Clark were just "easy and uncomplicated" and was finding it hard to believe she ever loved him at all.
oh, and if you believe Tom King's story in AC 1000, Lois takes a serum that enables her to live with Clark forever. She hates the taste of it.
edited 23rd Mar '18 12:22:23 PM by Zarius
It's kind of ridiculous as there's a lot of interesting story potential there.
It's like, WHAT IF BATMAN KILLS THE JOKER!
The consequences of exploring the story is treated ridiculously.
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The only time I've seen Clark/Diana handled well was Kingdom Come an even that came off like them just settling for second choice since Lois and Steve were dead.
Every other instance just handles it terribly. Mostly because writers tend to see Diana as an extension of Clark when they get paired off. Notice how their daughter in the DKR verse is only wearing Clark's symbol?
I'm... torn. On the other hand, nice to see Diana get more attention. On the other hand, I'd rather Justice League Dark not become another vehicle for DC's a-listers. And Detective Chimp being here just reminds me how much I miss Shadowpact.
Also, since when is Man-Bat a mystic character?
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I know it was discussed somewhat early, but was Shadowpact any good? What did it offer to the DCU?
Have any writers ever done anything with Theseus in the Wonder Woman mythos? He was actually supposed to have been married to her mother, Hippolyta, according to some stories (others had him married to some other Amazon queen).