Split: The Witcher

At the moment, the article mainly describes the video game, only tangentially touching the subject of the original book series. I would like to split it into following:

• Main.The Witcher: The main article for the entire series, the "The world of The Witcher provides examples of:" section will remain here.

Original books:

• Literature.The Last Wish
• Literature.The Sword Of Destiny
• Literature.Blood Of Elves
• Literature.Times Of Contempt
• Literature.Baptism Of Fire
• Literature.The Swallows Tower
• Literature.Lady Of The Lake

Video games (the main bulk of the tropes will go here):

• VideoGame.The Witcher
• VideoGame.The Witcher 2 Assassins Of Kings

Is there any particular reason I shouldn't do it? Also, I will need help splitting the tropes between the first and second game articles, since I haven't played either yet (currently at book five) and don't want to spoil myself anything. Would anyone volunteer?

The split seems like a good idea, but there's an effort going to move works off of main, which is supposed to be for trope pages.

Indeed. But AFAIK there is no special namespace for series spanning several mediums, so the overview page is pretty much doomed to remain in the Main/.

In general, the overall page for a multiple media type series should go in the original media type unless another type completely overshadows that one.

If the books and video games are different enough that you could reasonably describe them as there own related series, you could also make a Literature.The Witcher and VideoGame.The Witcher (with the first game being moved to The Witcher 1), and main as a disambig.

But I've really never looked at the series, so I can't really say if that's the wisest course of action.

The thing is, the series consists of seven books and two video games, which weren't written by the original author (although with his blessing). However, the games are much better known in the English-speaking world. Therefore, whether the novels or the games overshadow each other depends mainly where you live.

I believe there's a policy that, if the main isn't a whole franchise thing (which don't have a namespace), then it should be a disambig.

It's not our place to decide which is more important.

edited 13th Oct '11 1:19:24 PM by MangaManiac

What did you mean with "the main isn't a whole franchise thing"? ^^;

edited 13th Oct '11 1:32:29 PM by Koveras

Splitting sounds liek a good idea, but I wou suggest keeping on main page only examples attributing to both books and games (as currently they're mostly about tropes from the books).

He means that the main is sometimes used to give an overview of the franchise as a whole and then link to the proper subpages for the media that make them up.

But that is pretty much what I wanted to do from the start. :-/

Yeah, the biggest issue is that we're still debating having a franchise namespace.

Maybe I should just leave the main page in the Main/ for the time being until that decision is made and proceed with the rest?

I will be following this thread, I'm gonna help with the work when we settle on what we do.

Edit: are the names you gave for Saga's books "official"? Like, we won't have to change it for Tower of the Swallow later?

edited 14th Oct '11 4:04:19 PM by lordGacek

I'm not sure if we really need a work page for every book in the series, do we?

Nope, sadly, only The Last Wish, Blood of Elves, and Times of Contempt are official. The Swallow Tower is an in-universe location and it is mentioned in BoE, so someone who actually owns an English copy (I read the Russian translation) can probably tell us the official translation. However, if the current convention is to be kept, the titles should indeed be:

• Literature.The Last Wish
• Literature.Sword Of Destiny
• Literature.Blood Of Elves
• Literature.Times Of Contempt
• Literature.Baptism Of Fire
• Literature.Tower Of The Swallow
• Literature.Lady Of The Lake

But regardless of which we pick, we always run the danger of Publisher-Chosen Title and may still have to rename them...

Yes, I would like that. In my experience, when adding a trope example, people usually refer to the particular episode/book rather than the entire series and it's much easier to keep them organized if the works are split. Also, it's not like we have notability or shortage of digital space yet.

So, can we agree on the following course of action?

• Main.The Witcher: The franchise overview article remains in the main until the decision about Franchise/ namespace has fallen.

Books:

• Literature.The Last Wish
• Literature.Sword Of Destiny
• Literature.Blood Of Elves
• Literature.Times Of Contempt
• Literature.Baptism Of Fire
• Literature.Tower Of The Swallow
• Literature.Lady Of The Lake

Video games:

• VideoGame.The Witcher: I am gonna post the whole bulk of examples from the game section of the current article here, with a message to help carrying over the examples from the second game to its own article.
• VideoGame.The Witcher 2 Assassins Of Kings

Mhm, Baptism of Fire and Lady of the Lake shouldn't be translated to anything but these... Lady of the Lake comes overtly from Arthurian mythos, and Baptism of Fire contains a foreword with a fragment of Dire Straits' "Brothers in Arms".

Well, since there haven't been any more objections, I will proceed with the split, as outlined in my previous post.

Well, I am done with what I promised. Now somebody has to move the second game's examples to its own page, and this thread can be zapped...

Did some of the work.

Thanks.

I think this thread can be zapped to make way for more important TRS stuff... The remaining examples will be moved via Wiki Magic.

I'd rather you fixed them first, unless there's a good reason not to.

I'd strongly suggest this approach gets chucked firmly in the bin. Leaving the grunt work to other tropers isn't on in the first place, and there's no guarantee that someone will do that work. Contributions from many tropers are great, but these fixes really do take someone stepping up and taking responsibility for the overall job.

edited 8th Nov '11 5:18:22 PM by Camacan