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Deconstructing Without Being Anvilicious:

 1 Sand Josieph, Wed, 28th Sep '11 11:10:03 AM from Grand Galloping Galaday
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Like if one were to deconstruct the Action Girl trope how would one go about that without making it come across as "This is how a girl would really do in Real Life if she tried to take on The Hero's role"? Which sounds unnecessarily harsh.
 2 jagillette, Wed, 28th Sep '11 11:15:28 AM from the middle of nowhere
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My advice: play up the comedy and the ridiculousness of the trope. Be a little less serious, and if you want to address the issue seriously, do it subtly.
 3 Mr AHR, Wed, 28th Sep '11 11:19:46 AM from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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Don't have long speeches about it. Subtlety is key.
 4 Leradny, Wed, 28th Sep '11 11:25:31 AM from Alameda, CA
Treat it matter-of-factly. Since you're presumably going to be more realistic about the action girl trope, act realistic and not melodramatic.

 5 Sand Josieph, Wed, 28th Sep '11 11:33:13 AM from Grand Galloping Galaday
Bigonkers! is Magic
So deconstruct via showing an alternative to the norm?
since when is following logical conclusions anchivilous? and how can you deconstruct action girls? whats unrealistic about them? that they are girl heros? I dont get it. an action girl is just the female version of the badass.

you might be more deconstructing the rule of cool more than anything, since all badasses thrive on it.

just mho
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 7 Sand Josieph, Wed, 28th Sep '11 1:29:27 PM from Grand Galloping Galaday
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Probably the only real way to deconstruct the action girl trope is if they are placed in a world where action girls cannot exist. Which leads to all sorts of Fridge Logic moments.
 8 USAF713, Wed, 28th Sep '11 4:03:13 PM from the United States
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I always try for Show, Don't Tell. It's not the narrative's job to do the deconstructing, it's the characters' actions. The narrative is just for mood-setting.
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Why do all of SJ's threads have Unfortunate Implications lately? The only way I can interpret what you're trying to do is deconstruct the Action Girl trope by point out that girls can't be heroes? What?
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No, he (she?) just wants to be able to deconstruct the trope. As a fan of any deconstrution, I would say that Show, Don't Tell is the best way to go about it. Also, don't go out of your way to make things happen; let the consequences be a natural result of the action.

 12 Sand Josieph, Sat, 1st Oct '11 1:40:55 AM from Grand Galloping Galaday
Bigonkers! is Magic
[up][up]Which is an ironic thing to say as the hero of my story is a girl. And this is not the story in which I would deconstruct the Action Girl trope. In fact, I'd probably set up a deconstruction and slowly reconstruct it as the story goes.

[up]I'm a "he" and this thread wasn't specifically about the Action Girl trope. It was more about avoiding anvilicious deconstructions.

edited 1st Oct '11 1:54:27 AM by SandJosieph

 13 Major Tom, Sat, 1st Oct '11 7:50:15 AM Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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play up the comedy and the ridiculousness of the trope.

But Action Girl is hardly a ridiculous trope. It'd be outright sexist to treat it that way.
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[up][up] Ah. Well, I still stand by Show, Don't Tell; following a logical conclusion won't come off Anvilicious unless you make your characters get on a soapbox decrying the original trope, or you don't make your story bend unnaturally to punish characters to whom the Deconstructed Trope applies.

edited 1st Oct '11 2:32:23 PM by tropetown

 15 USAF713, Sat, 1st Oct '11 2:45:13 PM from the United States
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Action Girl as "a girl who is badass" is basically neutral. The extra connotation of "and badass means 'cannot be girly'" is fair game for deconstruction, though...
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 16 darkclaw, Sat, 1st Oct '11 6:39:33 PM from Right behind you.
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In terms of deconstructing Action Girl, you could just deconstruct the "Action" part.

For example, in Metal Gear Solid; Solid Snake is badass. But to become a major ass-kicker he went through a lot of trauma and ended up an Anti-Hero who finds it hard to enjoy people, but loves the fighting, violence and such... until later, when they start to reconstruct him as he realizes he can have friends and attachments and still be a badass, such as when he befriends Otacon but still saves the day in violent fashion.

As for deconstructing the "girl" part, I don't know how you could do it without Unfortunate Implications.

[up] As much as I hate gender roles, I think a lot of people (not all, but a lot) in North American society equate masculinity with badassery (and I'm using masculinity as gender-neutral term here, even though the terms "masculine" and "feminine" are outdated in my opinion since they are gender-neutral). Like, for example, who would the average North American believe to be an Action Girl:

  • The girl covered in bandages, somewhat scarred up and carrying guns and knives, as well as being really tall.


  • The girl who is short, with a Hollywood Thin build, who is reading a fashion magazine while getting her hair done.

Either could be an Action Girl, but the first leans more towards stereotypical ideals of masculinity in North America and the latter leans more towards North America's views of femininity (in my opinion). Who is more likely the Action Girl to the average North American?

They both are. And they're right behind you.

edited 1st Oct '11 6:44:57 PM by darkclaw

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If you're really going to deconstruct the Action Girl trope, put an Action Girl in a man's world, surrounded by He-Man Woman Hater male teammates, fighting against depraved men, and let the natural consequences of both situations play out.

 19 Sand Josieph, Sat, 1st Oct '11 8:37:48 PM from Grand Galloping Galaday
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That could go two ways, both of them obvious depending on the girl's level of skill.
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