Wait wait...the negatives are winning....but its 16v11 by my count.
You will never love a women as much as George Lucas hates his fans.And not to mention Colonel Quaritch was amazingly badass. I always catch hell from hippy types because he was my favorite character, that and I friggin' hated the holier-than-thou Na'vi. Filthy Xenos scum, they were.
To me the Na'vi are in the same strange place as Elves, different enough to come off as dicks, but not different enough for it to be understandable.
Pretty much.
@syvaris: Everyone can weight the positives and negatives as he likes.
Fuhrmann, es kostet dir noch dein LebenIs it bad that I consider my self an insane hippy but I still think Quaritch was the best damn thing about the movie?
You will never love a women as much as George Lucas hates his fans.Not really. Quaritch was not a nice or good person, but he was honorable and possessed of legitimate virtues ( courage, loyalty towards his subordinates ). Unlike the "heroes" of the movie, however, he was consistent in his characterization and portrayal. And really, when you get right down to it, Quaritch was *right*. There was no way to get along peacefully with the Na'vi, because they were at heart a warrior culture.
The only morally superior character is Dr Grace, who just wanted to learn about the Na'Vi and Pandora, and help humans and Na'vi get along. Sadly, she was screwed from the beginning, since there really was no way the Na'vi would ever accept humans, and no way humanity would give up on the Unobtanium.
Frankly, I am very leery of the eventual sequel, because the only rational outcome involves a much bigger, non-corporate, force coming to Pandora years later, and nuking everything blue and furry. . .
Home of CBR Rumbles-in-Exile: rumbles.fr.yuku.comEffectively, a sequel will either have to end in tragedy (be the Wounded Knee to the first films Little Bighorn) or it will completely shatter the suspension of disbelief.
I will admit my dislike of the first film comes from three main sources, the heavy handed message, the weak acting of the lead, and that it is a rather lame listen. While I think the first two points are heavily tread ground, the final one prevents me from even enjoying the film in the moment. The dialogue is largely either unremarkable, and forgettable (I cannot remember as single quote from the whole first act), or dumb ("They killed their mother",which ties into the ham-handedness of the message, "Fight Terror with terror", which is completely nonsensical in the context of the film and wouldn't even work in a jingoistic rousing speech unless we assume that off screen the Na'vi have been engaging in some form of at least semi-successful guerrilla warfare and displaying the bodies of their fallen foes where the people from Hell's Gate can see them). Additionally, nothing in the score caught my attention, nothing seemed cleaver, and one thing I think makes this a lesser film than Star Wars is the complete lack of Leitmotif.
I agree with most of what's already been said, so sorry if I'm being redundant. It bothers me that the Na'vi are just caricatures of the Noble Savage that's been used to describe indigenous peoples around the world, so it's like Avatar is promoting these old stereotypes, albeit indirectly because the Na'vi are aliens. The Na'vi are too perfect to be believable, and I guess I'm being redundant saying that.
I was thinking that, if Pandora is still being explored, maybe there's a chance of there being another sentient species on it besides the Na'vi. If there was, I imagine they could be the dwarves to the Na'vi's elves, a species that is rougher and not as morally snobby as the Na'vi are despite living on the same planet. They could be more like humans, who really have to struggle to survive and haven't got it nearly as easy. It could be useful in addressing some of the issues to be had with the first film. Basically, a species dedicated to Screw You, Elves!, if the humans can't do it. If I had to design this species, I'd want to make them a Horned Humanoid species. Either that or Fish People. It's just fan wank, so none of it really matters.
edited 28th Sep '11 7:42:21 PM by StarOutlaw
Thunder, Thunder, Thunder...Hell, I'd go all the way and make them a subterranean insectiod non-bipedal race. Much like early man they have to get by while not being especially strong, fast, or connected to nature having to rely on intelligence and stealth (rather than intelligence and endurance like humans).
(At first I wanted to make this an ordinary review, but it soon turned out way too long for our standard system. So I post it here instead.)
For a long time, I avoided watching this movie - can't say the exact reason why, after all it wasn't because the movie wasn't shown in any film theaters. But now I watched it (even on Blu-Ray and on a nice big screen), and immediately wrote up this review, when my impression was freshest.
At first: Now I can understand why so many people out there are Longing For Pandora, or saw the movie 27 times. There are quite some good reasons for liking the movie, and I'll mention all of them, because they deserve it.
These are the good points of the movie, which should make sure that it has saved its place in film history, no matter what. (And the sequels won't hurt, guaranteedly.) So much about that, but now let's talk about its bad points.
So, all in all, this puts Avatar in the negative, at least for me. Other people may weight the diverse factors differently and come to different conclusions.
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