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x5 I assume 'stims' is referring to the caffeine family; probably other stimulants as well, but I'm not sure which offhand.

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Agree with your change; Defrosting Ice Queen doesn't have to be caused by the love interest.

I'm sure I've seen "stims" in several sci-fi works referring to futuristic uppers/performance-enhancing drugs. I wouldn't call it Fan Myopia unless it's from a single work.

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Disco Tech needs a boost. What I wanna know right off the bat is why "This cannot be music for puzzle solving, or things like that. It has to be technology using music." is even included, and why it's in bold. Can that be removed?

Edited by number9robotic on Mar 6th 2024 at 11:55:21 AM

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According to wayback, that bit is as old as the page itself, or at least as old as our archived history. I don't get it either, though.

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I have discovered on My Hero Academia recap page that “Villain Hunt” arc and “Deku vs Class 1A” arc are listed as two separate arcs, while actually they are parts of one arc. Who can fix that and fuse them into one page

Not a trope description, mate. I think you're on the wrong thread.

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Yamato Nadeshiko spends most of the description saying it's explicitly a Japanese trope and that it's intricately tied to Japanese culture, only to say "This trope is for the Japanese archetype in particular and the Eastern Asian archetype in general" at the bottom.

Considering Yamato Nadeshiko is strictly a Japanese media trope, I'd say other cultures (save for Fantasy Counterpart Culture examples) should be under Proper Lady and Silk Hiding Steel and this sentence should be simply "This trope is for the Japanese archetype in particular".

Or am I just overthinking it? I feel like this one sentence is the culprit of a lot of misuse of the trope, though.

(Apologies if this is the wrong thread!)

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It might be worth bringing this up in the duplicate tropes thread. If it has a more generic trope that's not culture-specific, then it might not be worth keeping as a separate trope.

The universe is under no obligation to make sense to us.

I disagree, I think it's distinct. It's very much a Japanese culture trope and much more nuanced than Proper Lady and Silk Hiding Steel imply. It's describing women (and occasionally male characters as well) who are raised to be a picture-perfect example of a Japanese woman — usually a housewife (but not always).

It's one of those tropes that's hard to describe if you're not familiar with the culture, but essentially Yamato Nadeshiko are:

• Polite/Formal and respectful to all, especially their significant other and their parents;
• Overly devoted to their beloved and will do anything for them;
• Traditionally feminine and display feminine traits seen as desirable, such as being good cooks, loving wives/mothers, docile, refined/elegant, etc;
• Reserved and calm and don't start arguments;
• Proficient in things like tea ceremonies, cooking (particularly traditional Japanese dishes), performance arts (acting, singing, playing traditional Japanese instruments like the koto), flower arranging, poetry, sewing/dressmaking, cleaning, etc;
• Capable of fending for themselves, especially if their husband is fighting in a war;
• Willing to defend their family at all costs;
• Calculated in all of their movements so that they seem extremely elegant to those around them.

Or, at least, that's my understanding. It's multiple personality traits/tropes that apply to a character to make them a Yamato Nadeshiko, rather than just a single trope like Proper Lady or Silk Hiding Steel.

Edited by Zazie122 on Mar 12th 2024 at 10:47:51 PM

Avatar: Amethio (Pokemon Horizons)

Yamato Nadeshiko is a distinct trope in the same sense that Southern Belle and English Rose are. It's an idealised cultural standard with specific connotations in fiction in that context.

Edited by Noaqiyeum on Mar 12th 2024 at 10:17:59 AM

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There is a list on Our Souls Are Different about the possible effects of losing one's soul. One of the items on the list is:

It links to Heroic BSoD, which has little to do with being lobotomized. Moreover, there is another item on the list that covers the same case:

My suggestion is to completely remove the first line.

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I stumbled across The Hunter Becomes the Hunted today, which mentions some mythology in its description;

but the rest of the description makes it clear the trope only applies in situations where the hunter is hunted by their former prey, which the myth of Actaeon is not a case of. I'm wondering if the description is too narrow or if the paragraph about Actaeon should be removed.

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That trope may need to be expanded, or some of its entries are wrong. Das Boot, for instance, has a submarine being hunted by destroyers, not cargo ships. I'm unsure about removing that part because there may be a deeper problem.

I agree with that.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

I will run a wick check then, and see if it needs the TRS.

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Mister Seahorse has this in its description: "A male character gets pregnant through Functional Magic, weird science, gender-bending, Bizarre Alien Biology, body swapping, actually being a seahorse, or The Power of Love overcoming biology (read: bad writing)."

So yes, this trope is heavily associated with bad fanfics, but ignoring science for the sake of a story isn't necessarily bad writing, as our Artistic Licence tropes attest. Can I take out that bit of snark?

I'd be happy to see it gone.

"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her) (Current Focus: Cleaning Hell Is That Noise misuse)

Please remove.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird

It's gone.

On another note, Canon has a bunch of pedantic waffling about grammar and example sentences that was removed with consensus. It was added back in Oct 2023 and I can't find any posts in this topic suggesting there was consensus for re-adding, so... re-remove?

I support that.

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Support removing. In addition to the edit war, it's completely unnecessary.

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Edited by Tylerbear12 on Apr 10th 2024 at 3:03:49 AM

I have looked at the description of One Person, One Power and found that the description is similar to Magic by Any Other Name, which details the powers being named. The difference between the two is that OPOP details everyone having one power while being unique. Its description has changed from once it launched, where it was more of a trope about how people had one power each while contrasting with Combo Platter Powers. I suggest changing OPOP's description back to what it was before since it sounds too similar to MBAON. Is there something I am missing where the trope may not need a change?

Jesus was supposed to be God in mortal form, and as such, having a sense of humor is possible, if not probable

this is a very odd line, in my opinion, tracked onto the end of a paragraph on Jesus Was Way Cool. can i remove it?

Yeah, it seems out of place, because the paragraph it's in mostly talks about non-Christian and anti-Christian media portraying Jesus positively, rather than Jesus being funny. It doesn't really explain how "non-Christian and anti-Christian works often still admire Jesus" and "Jesus probably had a sense of humor" are related. There probably is something to be said about comedic depictions of Jesus, but since the trope description currently does not touch upon that, it can be removed for now.

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I noticed that Master-Apprentice Chain describes a work revealing that the hero and villain share a teacher, yet the most of examples talk about a master teaching a student who then becomes the master for another student, without any of them being villains or heroes. Is this a case where the description is simply inaccurate or a case where there is such severe misuse that it should be sent to the Trope Repair Shop?

The description is almost never going to be "inaccurate" when it comes to it vs. the examples. There's misuse going on, likely because the title is vague as heck.

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