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dotchan Mind-Altering Substance from Locked in the Warner Water Tower Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#1: Sep 9th 2011 at 6:09:59 AM

I was all ready to edit examples of Law of Chromatic Superiority that better fit into Red Ones Go Faster (as well as cut the redirect of The Red Ones Go Faster to avoid confusion) when I re-read the first trope and realized that that trope was written around the premise that...The Red Ones Go Faster!

So either:

  1. Rewrite and expand the description of "Law" to cover on the perceived superiority of colors in general, putting Red Ones Go Faster as a Sub-Trope (and editing all examples of red objects seen as superior out of "Law")
  2. Cutlist the new trope and folderize "Law" according to color.

I vote Option #2, since that one keeps all the examples to a single trope page and thus means less pruning work for editors trying to keep things neat and tidy.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#2: Sep 9th 2011 at 6:24:21 AM

I'd say go with a combination of option number one (make it a supertrope) and number two (sort by colors).

Red ones go faster (are stronger, whatever) is a decent-sized page. Folding it back into the supertrope won't make it any better.

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#3: Sep 9th 2011 at 6:39:33 AM

Red Ones Go Faster is pretty new and isn't linked to anywhere. If it were shorter, and if Law of Chromatic Superiority were actually the same trope, it'd be an obvious Cut List candidate.

That said, just because Law of Chromatic Superiority references the Trope Namer doesn't mean it's "built around" the idea:

Which colors are better depends on what you're doing.

Another example: a guy dressed all in black will always defeat opponents clad in lesser colors.

Gold is always better than silver, and silver is always better than bronze. Since bronze and gold are sometimes the same color, it makes for a complicated hierarchy.

Now, the description could use some cleaning-up, as it seems to be a vestige of the days when the wiki community was a lot tighter-knit and everyone had some idea what everyone else was saying. Also, I'm not sure how well-distinguished it is from Color-Coded for Your Convenience.

dotchan Mind-Altering Substance from Locked in the Warner Water Tower Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#4: Sep 9th 2011 at 2:34:33 PM

Color-Coded for Your Convenience seems even broader, just things distinguished by different colors for arbitrary reasons. Law of Chromatic Superiority is that a certain color is seen as flat-out superior than another, so an X Colored Thing is visual shorthand for "This is Awesome".

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#5: Sep 9th 2011 at 5:06:12 PM

Law of Chromatic Superiority and Red Ones Go Faster are definitely different tropes; the former is "this color is better for whatever reason" and the latter is literally "red is faster". It's more specific about both color and superiority, so I'd call it a distinct subtrope. But good god, we need to swap the redirect The Red Ones Go Faster (which currently points to Law of Chromatic Superiority) to point to Red Ones Go Faster.

That said, the descriptions of both pages could use work.

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Auxdarastrix Since: May, 2010
#6: Sep 9th 2011 at 5:41:36 PM

Incidently: Char Custom Rule? WTF?

Given that "The Red Ones Go Faster" is found in 0 articles and has brought 0 people to the site, there is no harm in loosing that as a redirect to Law of Chromatic Superiority. However, it should become a redirect to Red Ones Go Faster rather than being cut.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#7: Sep 9th 2011 at 5:43:19 PM

The The Red Ones Go Faster redirect has been changed to point at Red Ones Go Faster.

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#8: Sep 9th 2011 at 6:27:46 PM

Char Custom Rule is a Gundam reference. See Char Clone for details. Even as a Gundam fan I can call that hopeless Fan Myopia, but hey, Redirects Are Free.

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#9: Sep 9th 2011 at 11:47:43 PM

It makes me think of that one videogame trope where a Pallette Swap is used to create a different version of the same enemy that's higher-level. (Blue octoroks have twice as much HP as red ones, etc.)

Rhymes with "Protracted."
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#10: Sep 10th 2011 at 9:21:14 AM

That's Underground Monkey.

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#11: Sep 10th 2011 at 12:24:44 PM

[up] What the hell kind of name is that for that kind of trope?!?

Red Ones Go Faster is iffy as a title I would of made it something like Red Is The Color Of Speed or something right now there seems to be too much overlap and or shoehorning.

Also pretty sure Char Custom Rule was the original title of this trope.

edited 10th Sep '11 12:26:25 PM by Raso

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MikaruKeiko Simple, Oni from Cut too short on this ra Since: Apr, 2011
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#12: Sep 10th 2011 at 2:57:57 PM

Some colors are better than others. If it wasn't self-explanatory enough, then here's my take on it: Different colored versions of an object is superior to that object in a certain field of expertise, like Kingdom Hearts Drive forms (Despite white not being a color), or certain colors have a higher value than another, like Home Stuck Troll Bloods.

edited 10th Sep '11 3:25:19 PM by MikaruKeiko

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#13: Sep 14th 2011 at 6:51:14 PM

Okay, so Red Ones Go Faster = Subtrope is the consensus? Are there any other major subtropes we need to deal with right now? (I think Color-Coded Patrician might be another subtrope of Law of Chromatic Superiority that should be added to the trope description.)

edited 14th Sep '11 6:53:31 PM by dotchan

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#14: Sep 14th 2011 at 9:55:32 PM

No on Color-Coded Patrician. The character isn't better because he wears a certain color, he wears a certain color because he's better.

That's the fundamental difference between Color-Coded for Your Convenience and Law of Chromatic Superiority — which direction the causation appears to go: is it better because it's red or is it red because it's better?

edited 14th Sep '11 9:55:49 PM by Madrugada

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MikaruKeiko Simple, Oni from Cut too short on this ra Since: Apr, 2011
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#15: Sep 15th 2011 at 3:04:06 PM

[up] So it's red because it's better and It's better because it's red?

And how did red end up on top when most color wheel based stuff has red on the bottom?

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#16: Sep 15th 2011 at 3:44:11 PM

^ Yep. That's it. A patrician wears purple because he's a patrician. Simply putting on a purple robe doesn't give him the status of patrician. But a red Orc tank really does go faster because it's red. Paint it another color and it loses that speed boost.

From the aspect of visual design, red is one of the most-noticeable colors. It therefore makes sense to make the most important items or the items you want to attract the most attention red. It has nothing to do with red's position on the color wheel, and everything to do with the way people process and respond to color.

edited 15th Sep '11 3:46:24 PM by Madrugada

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MikaruKeiko Simple, Oni from Cut too short on this ra Since: Apr, 2011
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#17: Sep 16th 2011 at 5:49:19 PM

So taking an ordinary white toaster and painting it red makes it Faster, but what would be the trope if painting it blue made the toast toastier?

Getting back on subject, is this going into crowner territory soon? One option being Expand the Law and making Red Ones Go Faster a subtrope and the other option being the cutlist/folderize (Post #1).

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#18: Sep 16th 2011 at 5:50:58 PM

Blue makes the toast toastier would still be this trope.

Red Ones Go Faster is all ready a subtrope.

edited 16th Sep '11 5:51:26 PM by shimaspawn

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#19: Sep 16th 2011 at 8:21:45 PM

If all blue toasters make toastier toast because the toaster is blue, it's Law of Chromatic Superiority.

If you live in a world where blue toasters all happen to make toastier toast, it's also Law of Chromatic Superiority.

If you live in a world where toasters are tested on how toasty the toast they make is, and then they're painted according how toasty the toast is, that's Color-Coded for Your Convenience.

edited 17th Sep '11 8:03:59 AM by Madrugada

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#20: Sep 17th 2011 at 12:09:49 AM

Man, if somebody else doesn't edit the description to mention "toastier toast", I think I may have to! :)

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#21: Sep 17th 2011 at 12:32:55 AM

Yikes maddy's post made me hungry for a grill cheese sandwich for some reason.

Anyway I would really be up for renaming Red Ones Go Faster to Red Is The Color Of Speed to better clarify the two.

As well as add more clarification between this and Underground Monkey (and rename it my god that example list is small for how common the trope is.)

edited 17th Sep '11 12:35:43 AM by Raso

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