DEATH BATTLE

^ You forgot Hoovy's secret weapon.

Well, if we want to get technical, Mercer bears the most resemblance to Ultimate Venom from Earth-1610, a symbiote-like creature created by mad science that sustains itself by pulling people into its mass and devouring them.

With a bit of Carnage's propensity for creating bladed implements from his symbiote because, unlike Venom, Kasady got his symbiote fresh and thus has no particular inclination to imitate Spider-Man's moveset. That's the irony of Venom's "upgrade". All it really did was allow Flash to utilize his symbiote's potential to the same effect that Kasady always has.

Bendis's comic made a big fuss about removing the symbiote's trauma and shit, but all he really seems to have accomplished was erasing Spider-Man's influence on its identity.

Not sure what a flamethrower would do to Tentacle Horror Wesker. He was literally standing in lava unperturbed when they shot him with two simultaneous RPGs. It wasn't the heat from the blast that killed him, it was the force.

Convection, Schmonvection was in full effect for that finale, but that argument ceases to apply when a character is waist-deep in lava and doesn't seem the slightest bit put off by it.

edited 29th Jul '16 7:59:22 AM by TobiasDrake

Well, if we believe one of Zarya's graffiti, she's also wrestled bears unarmed. Plus Zarya's weight lifting record exceeds any in the current format (512kg). She can LIFT a female grizzly.

Hrrrm, an Overwatch vs the Mercenaries of Team Fortress 2 Battle Royale. Basically pick the closest characters and form a team on each sides:

In order: The Scout, The Sniper, The Medic, The Soldier, The Heavy, the Demoman, The Engineer, the Pyro, the Spy Vs Tracer, Widowmaker, Mercy, Soldier: 76, Zarya, Junkrat (or Pharah?), Torbjorn, Mei and some spy stand in?

Spy's a tough one as there's no real equivalent, so could go Mc Cree (Revolver user), Genji (Ninja Vs Spy) or Winston (Other major character of Overwatch) or no Spy at all.

edited 29th Jul '16 9:34:36 AM by CobraPrime

Overwatch vs Battleborn would be more hype though. Even though nobody talks about Battleborn apparently.

The Mewtwo and Arceus discussion a while ago got me thinking, has anyone created an in-canon tier list for all the Pokemon Legendaries?

edited 29th Jul '16 11:26:44 AM by Moth13

Do dragons enjoy gold, damsels, and flammable things?

Yes, Pokémon has extensive tier lists. For all Pokémon, not just the Legends and Myths (the latter of which being the category Arceus belongs to). People have spent ages poring over the math behind the game to min-max every single Pokémon.

Both Mewtwo and Arceus can be found in Ubers, the highest competitive tier. In a given competition, if anything is going to be banned, the Ubers are always banned first. Because they're game-breaking.

Of note: some consideration has been given to giving Mega Rayquaza a Tier of his own, on account of the fact that he's so ridiculously OP as to make even the Ubers seem trite by comparison. Immediately after his introduction in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, M-Ray nuked the competitive scene.

edited 29th Jul '16 12:45:46 PM by TobiasDrake

They meant an in-canon, in-game tier list though.

Then look no further than comparing the sum values of each Legendary's stats, while taking into account Type match-ups as a factor that can tip the delicately-balanced scales. They're divided into tiers that have the same sum value in common between them, with the very highest tier always including what the current lore more or less describes as the most powerful known Pokemon (yes, Arceus is at the very top tier).

edited 29th Jul '16 12:57:19 PM by MarqFJA

In terms of power displayed in manga and movies Mewtwo can create storms with ease and hold his own against powerful dragon types.

The Legendary Dogs were around the level of gym leaders in the gold silver region. Lugia was able to fight the three legendary birds and legendary dogs if I am remembering correctly.

Statwise, Arceus was the very top tier, but M-Ray, Mega Mewtwo, and the two Primals (Groudon and Kyogre) beat him in stats now.

With M-Ray and Mega Mewtwo just barely beating out the Primals by 10 points.

The inevitable remake of Gen IV will likely correct this by giving Arceus his own super-transformation of some kind, but for now, he's been overshadowed by Gen III's Legends and the ever-badass Mewtwo.

EDIT: Also of note, M-Ray has an added advantage in that he doesn't require a Held Item to trigger his transformation. In most Pokémon, the Mega form (or Primal for those two) is triggered by holding a special item. This is a balance measure; it means your Mega Pokémon can't be empowered by one of the awesome super-items.

M-Ray transforms by using a specific, really powerful attack, which means that on top of being one of the two most powerful Pokémon in the game at this time, he can ALSO bring a badass item to the party.

This is why he's considered his own tier in certain circles.

edited 29th Jul '16 3:14:02 PM by TobiasDrake

Again, the original poster was most likely talking about the in-universe tier list among Legendaries; Arceus in-universe would be the absolute strongest Pokemon ever, since he's the Creator God of the universe.

Specifically, legend states that Arceus emerged from an egg in a space where nothing existed (ignoring the Creation Paradox here) and then proceeded to shape the world and/or universe.

What this means for his level of power, however, is impossible to define. Had it been Rayquaza, Charizard, or Pikachu who hatched into The Space Where There Was Nothing, could they have created Everything from Nothing? There were no discernable physics in The Space Where There Was Nothing because, y'know, there was Nothing, so it's hard to imagine.

In Eight Bit Theater, a character creates the universe by appearing in the pre-universe void and saying things like, "I think there's supposed to be light," because reality that existed before reality existed is very malleable and open to suggestion. She would lose a fight with just about any other character in the cast, but she's also the Creator God of the universe.

Without an understanding of what Arceus creating the universe actually means, it's impossible to define it as a feat - and even then, we have no idea if there's been a chance in Arceus's capabilities after having to adapt to existing within Everything rather than in Nothing. There are laws of physics that apply to Everything that did not apply to Nothing.

edited 29th Jul '16 3:29:04 PM by TobiasDrake

Look, you can not take its Creator God status away from it; Pokemon and Humans wouldn't even exist without it. Hell, we know for a fact that it created the Lake Trio, the Space-Time Duo, and Giratina, the Embodiment of Antimatter; we even literally see it create a new Palkia, Dialga, or Giratina for you in HG/SS in the Arceus event in those games.

Also, didn't stop White Mage and the other three members of her group from killing Chaos himself with "enough holy magic to kill a dark god."

edited 29th Jul '16 3:31:59 PM by Ssj3Gojira

He doesn't just recreate those three; Word of God is that Arceus recreates the entire universe in that instant just to do the aforementioned.

Arceus is an actually omnipotent god character that can pwn anything, you're just able to fight and catch it for fun/gameplay purposes.

Of course, in my personal bullshit headcanon Mewtwo actually can fight and possibly beat it, cause my nostalgia glasses say it'll always be the World's Strongest Pokemon, and it'd be cool to see the ultimate artificial (so it's probably sacrilegious) Pokemon kick the Pokegod's ass.

edited 29th Jul '16 4:47:40 PM by Ekuran

Actually, I read somewhere here that there are strong implications the Olympus Mons you're fighting and capturing are just lesser-powered fragments of the real deal.

Kind of right- it's that being captured in a pokeball "restricts" a legendary pokemon's power.

Of course this runs into all sorts of conflict when you think about it for more than a couple seconds but

That's the idea behind Cryus using the Red Chain, right? Because if he caught Dialga/Palkia normally they wouldn't have enough power to create his ideal universe?

yep..

RE: Wesker

Wesker has superspeed, is all but Immune to Bullets, has a Healing Factor, and spends a whole lot of time fighting fellow Body Horror monsters who are larger, stronger, and more durable than he is. In a straight up fight with none of the "prep time" that's so important to them all, Wesker will take apart any member of the Batfamily, be it Damian, Cassandra, Tim, Jason, Barbara, Dick or Bruce himself. Wesker's advantages over normal humans—even extremely skilled ones—were such that the only way for Chris, Jill, and Sheva to take him out was to overload him with the virus, speeding up his mutation, and reducing him to a shambling, half-conscious hulk—and even then he nearly proved to much for them.

That's just off the video games. If they throw in his abilities in the films, wherein he made his first major appearance manhandling the resident God-Mode Sue and bringing her back down to normal, then the Batfamily members, who rely on plot contrivance in most crossovers, are really well and truly screwed.

Some people decided to do a fan perdiction blog for The Meta vs Carolina, if you want to give it a read, here you go.

edited 29th Jul '16 8:35:02 PM by Thebrawlbro

So, Alex Mercer or James Heller would be a good opponent for him after all.

Pft.

Carolina still has this.

Who would win between these Super Sentai vs Kamen Rider matchups? Kamen rider Wizard vs Magired, Kamen rider Den-o vs To Q 1gou, Kamen rider Drive vs Go-on red, Kamen rider Blade vs Spade Ace, Kamen rider Fourze vs Megareda and Kamen rider Decade vs Gosei Red. Or is it better if its the entire sentai team faces of against all the riders for each series?

Agent Carolina vs The Meta prediction blog is out:

http://screwattack.roosterteeth.com/post/51277189