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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#201: Dec 9th 2011 at 11:03:37 PM

I wrote up a sandbox: Urban Fantasy

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#202: Dec 9th 2011 at 11:27:18 PM

Many superhero setting are also Urban Fantasy settings, yes.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#203: Dec 9th 2011 at 11:36:22 PM

I would argue that no, Light has a supernatural book which he uses to kill people. He might think he fights crime, but he is treated in the work as a Well-Intentioned Extremist Serial Killer.

edited 9th Dec '11 11:41:36 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#204: Dec 9th 2011 at 11:45:25 PM

Pretty sure Death note is covered under the Supernatural Thriller genre.

Which we oddly don't have a trope page for even though I see it in book stores and movies stores all the time.

edited 9th Dec '11 11:45:58 PM by Vyctorian

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#205: Dec 9th 2011 at 11:46:56 PM

[up] Trope it at YKTTW

edited 9th Dec '11 11:47:15 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#206: Dec 9th 2011 at 11:52:20 PM

[up]On it. And set needs work though.

edited 10th Dec '11 12:16:15 AM by Vyctorian

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jate88 Since: Oct, 2010
#207: Dec 10th 2011 at 2:45:09 PM

Urban Fantasy is often combined with Paranormal Investigation as well.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:07:15 PM by jate88

NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#208: Dec 10th 2011 at 9:19:34 PM

Added it to the Sandbox write up. Everyone like it? Anything else you think it needs?

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#210: Dec 11th 2011 at 3:59:57 AM

Sounds like it probably is.

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#211: Dec 14th 2011 at 5:29:10 PM

So is everybody content with noirgrimoir's rewrite?

NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#212: Dec 14th 2011 at 6:15:20 PM

It's here Sandbox.Urban Fantasy in case you guys missed it.

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#213: Dec 14th 2011 at 7:50:13 PM

Seems pretty clear, I still think using the word Modern is a bit dubious but it works I guess.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#214: Dec 14th 2011 at 9:32:43 PM

Technically "modern" encapsulates all the way back to 17th century, there are just like, no works in the genre that take place that far back, not that they necessarily can't, they just don't.

edited 14th Dec '11 9:34:05 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#215: Dec 14th 2011 at 9:40:34 PM

Still when I hear modern I think post 1985 and I think that's very common among people.

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#216: Dec 14th 2011 at 9:45:58 PM

I certainly don't think just post-1985 when I think "modern", but I don't include the 17th century there either. It's kind of a fluid term.

NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#217: Dec 14th 2011 at 10:05:51 PM

You guys can edit the sandbox if you want.

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#218: Dec 14th 2011 at 10:17:37 PM

I can't think of any better way to put it - I just feel like "modern" is a bit ambiguous.

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#219: Dec 14th 2011 at 10:23:20 PM

I just say we hottip in a range for what we mean by modern.

Which leads to the question, What is modern?

edited 14th Dec '11 10:23:43 PM by Vyctorian

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#220: Dec 14th 2011 at 11:01:38 PM

Well, pre-1985 is really the Historical Fantasy subgenre of Urban Fantasy and that has it's own page. Those works should really go there.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#221: Dec 14th 2011 at 11:19:13 PM

Well according to the Historical Fantasy page that genre sort of implies more than just historical time period, but yeah i think generally speaking the cut off is early 19th century (1800s) to present day. not because things couldn't happen earlier, but because there are just like no works that even vaguely qualify as Urban Fantasy that take place in that no-man's land of Renaissance to Colonial Era.

(I would so love to read any kind of fantasy that takes place in more of a Renaissance time-period. I'm so over high Middle Ages.)

edited 14th Dec '11 11:20:32 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#222: Dec 14th 2011 at 11:21:03 PM

What about urban fantasy works form that those eras though? Like the 60's had quite a few sitcoms and soaps that could be called Urban Fantasy as did the 70's.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#223: Dec 14th 2011 at 11:21:36 PM

Give explicit examples and lets see.

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#224: Dec 14th 2011 at 11:26:29 PM

Munsters was pretty much urban fantasy, as was the Adams family. Neither had the real fear factor to be horror. Dark Shadows blurs the line between this and horror.

edited 14th Dec '11 11:28:39 PM by Vyctorian

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#225: Dec 15th 2011 at 12:04:52 AM

I'm not sure what your question is. These are obviously covered by the current time definition we have.

edited 15th Dec '11 12:05:35 AM by NoirGrimoir

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