Misuse: Zettai Ryouiki

I feel like this should be limited only to characters who wear this regularly. It's being put on trope pages for pretty much any girl who has ever worn knee-high socks, and a few actress pages. Basically, it's being used like it's called "That one time a character wore something that turned me on".

Right, examples should be for characters who wear them as a part of their regular "costume".

You know, if I hadn't actually clicked on the link, I'd have absolutely no idea what it was about. This needs a rename badly.

Don't think so. Costume Tropes are about the costume appearing. If it appears, it is an example of the trope.

If you would have also clicked on the "related to" button, you would also see why the name is performing incredibly well, and renaming it would be a crime against TV Tropes accessibility.

edited 13th Jun '11 3:17:58 PM by EternalSeptember

Uhh that is an understatement of the century...

and I agree if it shows up it should get an entry. (although I am all for listing only those rank C and above which it mostly already is with the exception of a few scattered examples.)

edited 13th Jun '11 3:35:27 PM by Raso

I think the page is fine as is. For costume tropes, costumes appearing is the trope. I see no reason to arbitrarily limit it. And, as much as I hate Japanese named tropes, this one is performing very well and is used correctly.

Okay, so its a bad name being properly used. Still doesn't change the fact that its an opaque and confusing term.

It's also a pre-existing term.

It is your opinion that it is opaque and confusing. All the objective measurements we have on it say otherwise. Which is unfortunate. I don't like the name either, but I realise that objectively it is a good name.

It's a pre-existing term. We didn't make it up, and have no license to try and change it.

The Japanese named the phenomenon first, and its become a prevalent term for it.

Just because you don't like that doesn't mean it needs to be changed, it means you need to expand your vocabulary.

It's hardly the worst Pre Existing Term out there... The misleading ones get to stay too like Alien Space Bats.

40k inbounds is freaken nuts for a trope like this it's got more inbounds than the related Tsundere.

It's also got plenty of redirects that are just not used.

This is one of those Widget things that Anime fans are obsessive about with rankings, ratios and essay get written about ect.

edited 13th Jun '11 4:12:02 PM by Raso

Worldmaker, I don't think Zettai Ryouiki is ever referred to in a language other than Japanese. It's a pre-existing term, and it's a fair usage. Like schadenfreude or fatwa.

Also, I agree with the "must be regular costume" purge.

I very much disagree with the regular costume thing if it appears it should be allowed an entry, We dont do that for other costume tropes like Of Corsets Sexy, Opera Gloves or anything in the Costume Tropes index.

Especially when usage of this trope is almost always deliberate pandering like

edited 13th Jun '11 4:29:57 PM by Raso

That's a good point. "When used as fan service" is a better way to determine what counts. This is like any turn on tropes, it's when they're used deliberately in a sexual way that they count.

Of course, one can say that an artist design a costume with fan service elements all the time. But this rules out things when they're used innocuously.

I would say that this specific trope when someone wears a Rank C or above it its specifically to invoke this instead of wearing full stockings or just socks, unless your a soccer player who wear Rank C all the time.

edited 13th Jun '11 4:43:33 PM by Raso

A few soccer players can go all the way to B, or D for sloppier ones. But disregard this.

I think we can learn from (to not go far from home) Foot Focus. There's a difference when the feet/socks are there for a reason.

edited 13th Jun '11 4:42:31 PM by Catalogue

I dont know when someone leaves the house wearing [1]◊ (which is rank B close to Rank A though.) its 100% this trope.

edited 13th Jun '11 4:45:43 PM by Raso

Rare to see such fine grade Zettai Ryouiki in Real Life

-stares-

I think this should not just apply when used with a regular outfit. Any use of it for Fanservice/soccer should be valid too.

Oh, and: -waves CHOPSTICKS in air-

I'm with Chihuahua0 on this. Preexisting term (though I have some gripes with that rule) and exceptional wicks and inbounds.

Horrible name in terms of comprehensibility. Astonishingly good name in terms of wicks and inbounds. And the misuse appears to be entirely unrelated to the name.

...Yep, no need to rename.

edited 13th Jun '11 8:01:30 PM by nrjxll

The misuse isn't even misuse. It would require a redefinition to make it misuse.

Well, it needs to be redefined or something like that. I don't agree with the rename either, it's already a preexisting trope name. There's already like 6 redirects in English anyway.

Why does it need to be redefined? It's being used properly according to the current definition. It's getting good inbounds. It's got a good number of wiks. It's working by all the standards we have to judge these things. Why should we mess with it?

There are no good reasons to arbitrarily narrow a costume trope to only being used in a certain set of circumstances. We don't only count a Sexy Santa Dress when it's the character's base costume. You're talking about redefining it as something completely at odds with every single other costume trope.

edited 13th Jun '11 9:03:55 PM by shimaspawn