Troy Rising

Unfortunately, while I somewhat recall discussion of the other two titles, I don't recall where I saw it, nor do I remember the titles in question. I know Ringo has a facebook page, but I'm not on FB nor have any interest in using it, so I can't actually read anything he's posted there.

Give me a second to start up Opera and I'll check.

Okay, it's just a fairly blank page. I tried to friend him, I'll see if that unlocks anything.

edited 28th Jun '11 7:23:27 AM by Deboss

Chapter eight of Live Free or Die has this biiig rant at Boeing screwing "its commercial customer(three billion dollar investment), which was a huge market(think 1920 air transport), to keep its military customers(maybe a few hundred fighters), which will not be a huge market(one billion dollars), happy." They took Vernon's money(three billion dollars) and built a fightercraft when they were supposed to be building a shuttle. The government invested one billion. It seems anecdotal: has anything like that actually happened - a project to build, say, a new airliner instead used to test technology for a fighter?

Not that I can recall, off the top of my head, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything given my crappy memory.

Also, while Ringo certainly isn't averse to transplanting existing stories into new settings (the Marduk part of the Prince Roger series is, for example, pretty much Xenophon's Anabasis IN SPACE!), it's entirely possible the scenario in question was created entirely by Ringo, without any Real Life analog/inspiration.

I doubt the specifics (airliner used to fund a fighter) was based on something real, simply because the systems are so different. I could easily see a naval ship or land vehicle doing that though.

TO the question about Schlockiverse breacher missiles, they don't do kinetic damage and indeed have payload. Payload is the same annie-plant that provides propulsion and allows gravitic breaching as evaporating neutronium causes nice explosion.

Reason Troy Rising -verse (in my opinion they are separate, unlik originally planned though) missiles arent built like this is that annie-plants in Troy Rising require rare [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_group]Platinum group metals[/url] and helium-3 for fuel (schlockiverse plants are much more advanced plants are said to compress anything to neutronium).

The Schlock Mercenary Wiki specifically says the TR-verse isn't canonical to SM, in the FAQ.

(And BTW, wrong formatting for URLs. Click the "Show Markup Help" to see how the TVT forum does things.)

edited 6th Dec '11 4:07:55 PM by Nohbody

@ vatas: tvtropes uses a different linking system. [[target display]] is the proper code, so your link should be [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_group Platinum group metals]] to get Platinum group metals. A full list of the text coding can be found on Text-Formatting Rules.

Also, good to know. I can never remember most of the interesting tidbits about the weapons tech.

sooo...Necroing the thread but I need a bit of motivation.

I've gotten Live Free or Die to bridge the time until the next Safehold or Typhon Pact book. I've made the mistake of reading a bit on the tropes page (a thing I'm trying to avoid while reading something, only afterwards...) and stumbled over the Author Filibuster and the like, which has kinda put me off of continuing it (I've finished the Maple Syrup War) because of the "A lot of Vernon's more extreme right-wing political statements come straight from the mouth of John Ringo, who describes himself as a Teaparty Conservative." statement, as for me the tea party is pretty much a horror (and I'm not even an american to find them terrible...).

The Question is now: how "bad" is that in the whole sum of the book. Is it just now and then and can be ignored/glossed over?

If it's too much I'll just start the re-read of Honor Harrington a bit earlier than planned for the next ARC...

Its at it worst in the first book, especially the early parts. It drops off a bit when it gets to the shiny toys and having fun with them. Less still in the second and third books when Vernon starts getting less screen time.

But yeah, it can make it a rather frustrating reading exercise when your political opinions are diametrically opposite Ringo's.

I have an easy time ignoring it because I made a habit of not giving a shit about what my entertainers think about politics.

I've gone further. I don't give a shit about politics at all. Makes reading these things much more bearable. In other news about some of Ringo's more difficult to bear works, he's working on the next Paladin of Shadows book now. I haven't heard anything about the next Troy Rising book, so no idea if/when that's coming out.

The next Paladin of Shadows is one of those co-writing deals, coming out Jan 2013. Ringo providing the outline, other author building up from it (a la Prince Roger, if in the other direction).

As for TR, right now it's on hold. The massive battles in The Hot Gate kinda just evolved, and he's stuck writing up the next volume that can a) flow relatively logically from the conclusion of THG, and b) not be a boring curb-stomp by Earth.

(That, and Attention Deficit Creator Disorder has struck... he's now working on a new book, about a Zombie Apocalypse.)

I think I saw something about a Princess Of Wands sequel as well on his Facebook. It was in reference to Lost Girl.

Queen of Wands came out at the beginning of this month, it's not an issue at present (unless there's a third Special Circumstances book starting that I haven't heard of... I don't follow FB).

Wait, what? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, I've got another book to read.

Sooo, finished the first Book. After ignoring anything political it was not bad, just the final battle was kinda...anticlimatic. After all that buildup...don#t know yet if I'll spend the few euros on the other two.

That's what libraries are for. Plus Ringo and some of his cowriters put their books out on free library disks. I've got most of Ringo's earlier works (earlier than Troy Rising} on my harddrive from one such disk. With full permission and encouragement to spread the love. Anyone who picked up Manxome Foe, IIRC, in hardback, got one.

I strongly doubt that my library in germany has John Ringo books ;) they have about a shelf of SF.

Joe Buckley (Baen's Designated Victim) hosts a site with all the Baen CDs save for Cryoburn, where you can read online or download the disc, here.

edited 19th Aug '12 4:06:14 PM by Nohbody

Actually, I don't think they're up online. There's samples though.

Linkies.

^ Did you follow the "here" link in my last? Everything Ringo up to Eye of the Storm is available on the Eye of the Storm CD.

(I suspect that the next Troy Rising book would probably be an updated CD with releases since then. That's just speculation, though, no special insight or anything like that.)

Right, which doesn't include Troy Rising. Or Queen of Wands. Check.

Whoops, missed that the other two TR books were the point of interest. My mistake.

It doesn't have Troy Rising in it either.

So, given the lack of "not invented here" syndrome in reference to NASA in Troy, I'm assuming that's one of Taylor's views rather than Ringo's?

edited 20th Aug '12 4:54:47 AM by Deboss