They seem quite different to me. Call a Human a "Meatbag" is about insults. Some alien race is using a slur to reffer to the humanity not because it is the name they have for 'humans', but because it sows what they think of them.
Call a Human a "Meatbag" just about 'humanity' having other name.
I see the Awesomeness.
It's kind of got the snowclone going on, but it's unrelated. It's about insults, essentially "species slurs" directed at humans. One of the common ones from Mechanical Life Forms is calling organic life "meat bag".
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So a subtrope of Fantastic Slur that applies specifically to humans?
In that case, the name needs changing - probably did to begin with, but now it's an obvious Bad Snowclone.
Seems a fairly straightforward and indicative title to me. It's a trope about calling humans unpleasant names, using the most common unpleasant name. Easily passed the guess that trope for me.
edited 18th May '11 3:29:06 AM by CrypticMirror
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I agree. However, it is a Bad Snowclone. Call a Rabbit a "Smeerp" is not about insults. It is the equivalent of Humans by Any Other Name with animals. The snowcloning may contribute to misuses.
Have it been a established trope, I would be against a rename. However, being it fairly new, with few wicks and no inbound, I think a rename would be in order.
disagree. It isn't overly snowclone-y and it is indicative enough. I think it should stand and be given a chance. We can always revisit it in a few months to check.
edited 18th May '11 5:41:35 AM by CrypticMirror
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It's extremely snowclone-y. It's almost as snowclone-y as it's possible to be. And it's only relation to the name it's snowcloned from is that they both are about names in some way. But that's where the resemblance ends.
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There's definitely a trope here. It definitely needs a better name.
Definitely not that one. No alternatives spring to mind at the moment, though.
Also note that Humans by Any Other Name already has a snowclone redirect.
I suggest we either cut the new one, or make the distinction clear between them (which includes, of course, wicks to each other).
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Isn't this what Son of an Ape was created for already?
edited 18th May '11 8:09:10 AM by SeanMurrayI
This one too needs cross-referencing.
It has 50 inbounds after a day. Somebody likes it.
^ Doesn't really mean much though when half of the brand spankin' new trope's description is already its own trope.
At best, this should've been crafted as a Sister Trope to Son of an Ape where non-organic beings (robots, sentient gas clouds, et. al.) derisively refer to humans/organic life.
edited 18th May '11 9:37:38 AM by SeanMurrayI
...yeah, nobody noticed that during the YKTTW. They're at least sister tropes, and I'm thinking they should just be merged.
Took a glance over Humans by Any Other Name and it already has some examples that would have qualified for this new trope.
This seems to be a subtrope, actually. Call A Human A Meat Bag don't need to be related to apes, though frequently is.
Noticed that as well. Easily fixable, but it means we need to check the wicks of Humans by Any Other Name to see if there is similar misuse.
Is "aliens have a monkey-related insulting nickname for humans" really a distinct enough concept from "aliens have an insulting nickname for humans" that there need to be two separate pages for them? I say we merge Son of an Ape into this trope (possibly along with a rename if people hate Call a Human a "Meatbag" that much).
Son of an Ape has crap for wicks and inbounds, anyway.
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The name is horrible. I can't believe people are defending it. Easily needs more then a redirect, in my opinion. I suggest a single-prop crowner.
Also, I'm not convinced we need to merge Son of an Ape with this. We could just leave it as a subtrope. Is it common enough?
On a sidenote, would the following VG Cats image be a good one for the trope? (I was wondering whether the fact that the robot in it calls Aeris a meatbag was either the trope namer or a reference to whatever the trope namer was... though granted, Aeris is a cat, not a human.)
edited 18th May '11 12:18:30 PM by neoYTPism
No, they're both subtropes of Fantastic Slur, which makes them both Sister Tropes to each other, at best.
Son of an Ape is specifically for examples of humans being derisively called "chimps", "monkeys", "apes", "primates", etc.
"Meatbag" is a different insult altogether but a specific type of Fantastic Slur all the same. Still, neither Call a Human a "Meatbag"'s description nor its examples need to be detailing or cataloging anything where humans are specifically referring to humans as lower on the evolutionary ladder.
edited 18th May '11 12:24:57 PM by SeanMurrayI
I dunno. Humans Are Cthulhu used to have a VG Cats picture as well and wasn't that changed because the character was a humanoid cat and not a human?
edited 18th May '11 12:23:43 PM by RedViking
See Image Picking discussions for that; it's got nothing to do with the TRS.
Although I do agree with the previous post.
edited 18th May '11 12:24:54 PM by nrjxll
Emphasis mine.
As I said, Son of an Ape is a subtrope. Both are subtropes Fantastic Slur, but Son of an Ape is also a subtrope of Call a Human a "Meatbag".
That been said, I agree with Micah. I don't think they are different enough to be separated.
edited 18th May '11 12:30:20 PM by Heatth
Call a Human a "Meatbag" was recently launched, but I can't get the difference with Humans by Any Other Name.
Note that the latter doesn't seem to be mentioned in the former's YKTTW discussion, suggesting a Yes We DO Have This One problem.
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