Needs a dramatic overhaul: GettingCrapPastTheRadar

Also, the entire point of GCPTR is that it's subtle. Restricting it to blatant examples discards the key aspect of the trope.

^ Not necessarily. The point is that something the censors or watchdogs should have caught got by them, not that it was subtle.

Well the subtle examples and implications are still apart of this trope, and a major part of it.

edited 18th Jul '11 3:10:16 PM by Vyctorian

For some reason, I always thought of GCPTR as incidents where the writer's sneak something past the audience, not just the censors, although I think there's another trope for that.

But if they managed to sneak it past the audience, how could there be a trope for it?

The problem with the subtlety aspect is that sometimes, people are reading meaning into something that had none. It's like Faux Symbolism, except with double entendres instead of heady references. Sometimes a cigar is, in fact, just a cigar. Yes, there are other times when it's a large brown penis... that you set on fire after cutting the tip off... but it isn't always.

That, of course, is not even getting into the issue of when the radar did catch everything and rated it appropriately, but people think this applies because they don't know what the various ratings mean.

edited 20th Jul '11 2:11:58 PM by 32_Footsteps

I mean, something that the intended audience wouldn't notice. For example, hidden sex jokes in a kid's show that would go over their head.

We have a trope for that: Parental Bonus.

yes but if we flooded the examples to that instead, we'd need a subpage for it too. Should just have the pages merge they serve a similar purpose, GCPTR usually counts as a Parental Bonus?

Though in some cases that doesn't cover all the subtext either.

edited 20th Jul '11 9:23:24 PM by Vyctorian

Look, if it's something that flies over the kids' heads, it's not GCPTR, it's Parental Bonus. Censors let that stuff through all the time because the target demographic is not expected to understand it. I think these posts betray a very dangerous level of misunderstanding of what "the radar" actually is.

The problem with this trope in general is that "the radar" isn't well understood at all. It's increasingly looking like we don't even have agreement on what "the radar" is, let alone whether or not something successfully got past it or if it would qualify in the first place.

At the very least, it's starting to look very heavily like a YMMV situation simply because where everyone thinks the radar should be is highly variable, based on personal opinion.

edited 21st Jul '11 9:01:29 AM by 32_Footsteps

Maybe what we need then is just a definition with an index of tropes that tend to cause this an examples listed on those more objective tropes.

Yeah, I'm moving toward that opinion, myself. Or make it about methods creators have used (The option currently in second place.)

What's clear from the crowner is that we don't want a wide-open, list-anything-that's-the-least-bit-salacious-that-you-think-the-censors-should-have-caught page.

edited 21st Jul '11 9:08:33 AM by Madrugada

I should just be made YMMV there is almost no way to confirm this is stuff that got past the radar outside of Word of God. But plenty of details that could be pretty widely accepted, as "ya I get that".

Also "very Blatant" really varies depending on how dirty as persons mind it so it's subjective either way.

edited 21st Jul '11 10:24:41 AM by Vyctorian

But we don't want everything that some one somewhere thinks is dirty or too violent or profane. Using that as a criteria makes the page useless.

edited 21st Jul '11 12:36:53 PM by Madrugada

So either way it's screwed. It's always going to be YMMV because, there are various degrees of dirtiness and blatancy. Whats blatant to one person might make a another person have Fridge Brilliance moment while the other goes "I don't see that at all."

The current action top action is going to do much for the trope. GCPTR has always been subjective, unless unless you have Word of God there is no objective, but if you make it word of god only then it's just something that would go under the word of god *.

Hence my proposal of making it just a definition with an index of tropes that tend to cause this an examples listed on those more objective tropes.

Mine post was an exaggeration of policy to point out flaws.

edited 21st Jul '11 4:02:41 PM by Vyctorian

This trope is not, will never be, nor has it ever been, subjective.

GCPTR is not about things being dirty or salacious. It's about objectionable material which a writer inserted into a work, but did so in a manner designed to be missed by the censors.

Either the writer gets the material in, or they don't. A person's opinion on whether something is dirty, or should have been caught by the censors, is irrelevant. What matters is whether the writer snuck something past the censors or not.

As an aside, can we please make it a policy that "Make it a YMMV" is always resort beth-null?

To make an example objectively valid by that definition, we'd need Word of God from not one but two sources: we need for the writer to say "Yes, I put that in expecting them to take it out, if they noticed it" and we need someone from the body that should have caught it to say "Yes, we missed that."

edited 22nd Jul '11 2:42:45 PM by Madrugada

Vampire, then I suppose you'll volunteer to police the entire wiki and get rid of all of the instances of this trope that are misused? Please, do that.

That's why I've been arguing to make the trope into a list of methods. It worked well for making Fake Difficulty more or less objective, and I think the same procedure can also save GCPTR.

Works aren't tropes either. Neither are useful notes, maybe you should remove all of them too.

When did I suggest anything resembling that?

The top crowner is NOT an option, it can't be worked and just makes a bad problem worse. I'm pretty close to just striking the thing through and explaining why any vote for it is no good just so people aren't thinking it's a viable option.

Cut all the examples (especially that Troper Tales page), supertrope the thing because a lot of tropes are doing this specific thing, make the page an index of tropes used by this trope and hell, make all the ones which get indexed YMMV too. If people want, they can shift good examples (what few there are) to the right trope instead of this one. I can't think of another resolution which actually ties this up well and this is the best option for the trope itself because it would be an actual fix rather than a kludge which would break again.